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re: Fannie Mae says a recession is likely; could hit the housing market

Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:11 pm to
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could hit the housing market


Could hit?

It definitely needs to hit the housing market.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:14 pm to
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Adequate inventory is still years away.


There has been almost no new homes built in my community since 2008 - but there are plans in the works for a bunch of large scale developments. We'll see what happens , I guess. I'm not planning on selling or moving anytime soon. A decrease in my homes value would only help me. My fricking property taxes are outrageous.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:19 pm to
I have been hearing rumblings of this happening for @ a month now and expect that within the next 3-6 months, we’re going to see an increase in foreclosures.

This time it’s not the same as 08. Different causation.
I don’t think this will be as bad as 08. This one likely to be more of a market cleaning house. Not the systemic issues that were big part of 08 with sub prime and Collateralized debt obligations and lax lending practices.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted by dyslexiateechur
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2009
35853 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:20 pm to
I’m hoping it doesn’t make it to difficult to sell in the next few weeks.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:24 pm to
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Adequate inventory is still years away. Home prices will more than likely stabilize before they would drastically dip.


Aren’t prices already falling in some
Metros?

When the interest rates are at 8-10% I just can’t see prices staying inflated. Lots of people will stay in their current homes with their 2-3% interest.
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:25 pm to
Adults are in charge.
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:37 pm to
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When the interest rates are at 8-10% I just can’t see prices staying inflated. Lots of people will stay in their current homes with their 2-3% interest.

Yes, but to your own point people aren't selling their homes. So unless more homes are built the supply side of the supply/demand chart isn't fixed.

Up until now we have little supply and extreme demand. That has led to crazy prices(30% increase in value year over year). Now we still have little supply with decreased demand, but still demand which will result in year over year value increases that aren't outrageous.

Prices of homes won't stay even or drop unless demand craters (8-10% interest rates) or supply increase.

But supply won't increase from people selling their homes because
A) Rent is also stupid high right now
B) Everyone has a historicly low interest rate

So the only way supply will increase is if more homes are built. But with high material cost and supply chain issues, combined with slowing demand, nobody wants to start ramping up home production. Which will in turn keep demand from falling too far.

The whole thing is a mess, and fixing it starts with fixing the supply chain issues and in turn getting the cost of materials to decrease.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26435 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:08 pm to
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Adequate inventory is still years away. Home prices will more than likely stabilize before they would drastically dip.



I agree for now.

But the likelihood of the "hard landing" that the Fed is trying to avoid just seems to get higher and higher ever day. Nearly every major financial institution has adjusted their forecasts to include a higher risk factor for a recession in 2022 and 2023. I don't think current policy makers in Washington understand economic issues at all, and the Fed has a horrific record at combating inflation without causing a recession. It's just not a pretty picture right now, and we are very vulnerable.

I still agree that the housing market will stabilize, but I'm not as confident that we'll avoid a major downturn as I was a year ago. Stagflation could very well lead to job losses and families not being able to cover their mortgage. And that could lead to a flurry of fore closures, which will cool the housing market with quickness.
Posted by Feelthebarn
Lower Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
3606 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:09 pm to
Its already hit
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26435 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:14 pm to
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hen the interest rates are at 8-10% I just can’t see prices staying inflated. Lots of people will stay in their current homes with their 2-3% interest.


Yeah I was skeptical of posters saying that we'd see 7% rates by new years. Mostly because I assumed the Fed would continue under estimating the inflation risk and the media would just avoid pressing policymakers on inflation and economic issues.

Now I'm not so sure that we won't see rates that high by Thanksgiving. And that would certainly cool the market a bit.
Posted by dlambe5
Prairieville
Member since Jul 2009
692 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:17 pm to
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But for places that lack any economic basis for having inflated prices (Prairieville, for example), hold on to your butts.


This is comical. Have you driven down hwy 30? 2 new hospitals and restaurants opening up daily in the parish. Ascension parish is becoming the new Baton Rouge. Frito Lay just announced yesterday that they are relocating to Ascension with a larger warehouse from Baton Rouge.

The developing moratorium alone will keep prices elevated. Lowering inventory because they can’t develop any more subdivisions.

Plenty of industry in parish and surrounding parishes and great schools.

Now if BR was a flourishing parish with great schools I would be concerned. People within their own parish want to split (St George).

This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:39 pm to
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I’m not in real estate but I know what homes are going for in the top 10 hotter markets across the country. It’s widely known that supply is still a good ways away from catching up to demand.


So you are assuming demand will remain the same?

The entire point is that demand is going to tank at an incredible rate. Do you disagree that demand will decrease with rising inflation and interest rates?

I think a lot of people are delusional right now. They don’t realize just how bad things are and how much worse they are going to get.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 5:40 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136275 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:38 pm to
We are way into it already
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31731 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:47 pm to
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Ascension parish is becoming the new Baton Rouge.


Easy there, killer
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70777 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:15 pm to
Have to agree with those predicting real estate to remain high because of lack of inventory, and I'm not seeing anything positive on the horizon to improve things.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:24 pm to
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Have to agree with those predicting real estate to remain high because of lack of inventory, and I'm not seeing anything positive on the horizon to improve things.


I have a house I am putting up in a couple of weeks and going to price it to sell. Which will still leave me up 50k or so.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17343 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:49 pm to
Housing demand will still outpace supply.
That’s mostly what’s happening now…supply side shortages.

I suspect houses will still appreciate, but at maybe 10% per year.

Millennials were slowed by the Great Recession, but they have some money now and need housing.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:51 pm to
Y’all are hilarious. Do you understand that it doesn’t matter how few homes are built if people don’t have the money to buy one?

It’s SUPPLY and DEMAND. don’t forget about the demand part.

And if the houses that are available can’t be bought at the current prices because interest rates are rising and people can’t afford the monthly payment, what happens? The prices come down.

It’s 5th grade economics
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:54 pm to
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Millennials were slowed by the Great Recession, but they have some money now and need housing.


Do you anticipate real wages rising faster than inflation?

If you don’t, how are people going to pay for the mortgages that not only increase in principle but have twice the interest rate?

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 7:55 pm
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