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re: FAA says SpaceX must implement 63 corrective actions before next Starship launch

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Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:22 pm to
If anyone doesn’t realize this is pure political retribution, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8569 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:31 pm to
with a pre startup safety list of 63 items from the feds, Elon's folks ought to be able to blow through the requirements in a week.........unless there is an environmental issue about sea worms attacking clams due to the heat from the three minute rocket exhaust
Posted by Breesus
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Member since Jan 2010
67888 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:39 pm to
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Does anyone else notice how things in our culture are getting strangely similar to "Atlas Shrugged"?


Brave New World had a baby with 1984 and it was raised by Animal Farm and tutored by Atlas Shrugged and you get 2023
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47261 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:51 pm to
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Why is SpaceX still launching from the US?

There's no shortage of countries that would be ecstatic to have Elon without the red tape BS.


Lol... They government is space Xs largest customer and it's not even close.

Space X would not have done anything without the tax payer footing the bill. These other countries would not have spent the type of money for them to get where they are
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
67888 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:53 pm to
We should have given billions or even trillions to technology and arts instead of wars and farts

That’s my presidential slogan for 2024.

“Tech and arts over wars and farts”

Easy to chant
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 9:55 pm
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:55 pm to
Almost as if the idiots in this thread thinks SpaceX generates money. Everything that company does is paid for by the tax payer.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47261 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:55 pm to
Space X has received billions of tax payer dollars either from NASA or DOD and it probably makes up over 80% of their revenue.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
28401 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:57 pm to
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If anyone doesn’t realize this is pure political retribution, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.


I assumed based on this declaration you can walk us through the 63 corrective actions required and point out how they are unnecessary bureaucratic red tape. The article did not do that but unless you are reacting on emotion vs facts then you certainly should be able to. If you are someone else can then I would be fully inclined to agree.

The article stated:

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"Starship's first flight test provided numerous lessons learned that are directly contributing to several upgrades being made both to the vehicle and ground infrastructure to improve the probability of success on future Starship flights," SpaceX said in an online post on Friday.

In the post, the company indicated it had carried out changes related to leaks, the launchpad, its Autonomous Flight Safety System and other things that the FAA had raised with the corrective actions. SpaceX "is also implementing a full suite of system performance upgrades unrelated to any issues observed during the first flight test," it said.


We all know SpaceX is a serious company and I am inclined to think the vast majority of the 63 corrective actions are likely ones SapceX themselves have identified and have or will correct. There was a catastrophic failure so only a moron would not try to take corrective measures. I get that people hate all forms of government but control of companies launching things into space in order to keep an acceptable level of safety seems like a good use of governmental funds and power, though I am 100% sure it could be better than it is today. While, again, SpaceX is a seriously well run (on the engineering side, I have no idea about the business side) it doesn't mean that there won't be some yahoo with a lot of money that wants to try space travel as a hobby and does some supremely sketchy things. They have to treat SpaceX in a way that when they crack down on SpaceBillyBob there is no legitimate argument about why are you picking on little old me.

Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8078 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:00 pm to
Send that SOB, let’s watch our tax payer money shoot down a true African Americans attempt to get us off this God forsaken planet.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11738 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:13 pm to
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Almost as if the idiots in this thread thinks SpaceX generates money. Everything that company does is paid for by the tax payer.

I mean, they are certainly a legit business. The same can be said about Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and any number of other companies with the US government as a primary customer. I don’t want to take away from what SpaceX has accomplished. This isn’t a company getting a handout, it’s a company that’s making huge strides in space flight. There’s a reason they have all of those launch contracts.

That being said.. just like Lockheed and others, they aren’t packing up and moving to Mexico.

SpaceX needs the federal government just as much as NASA and DOD need SpaceX. It may not be true forever, but it’s definitely true today.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
32655 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:15 pm to
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The left are so stupid. The payloads going to the ISS are planned six months in advance. If I were Musk, I would drag my feet on this until NASA is screaming bloody murder.


Next time they are looking for a ride to the ISS, he should tell them to call Russia.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
17643 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:08 pm to
I just read some clarification on all this. Apparently SpaceX leads the investigation according to their process and FAA just watches basically. Apparently 95% of the corrective actions are already good to go. Likely just some paperwork holding them back. I think we get attempt #2 by end of the month
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15002 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:09 pm to
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What the hell does the FAA know about space flight engineering? Or even NASA which still doesn't have multiuse rockets?

The FAA has too much authority.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:24 pm to
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This isn’t a company getting a handout,


Of course it is, like most other companies. What are tax breaks if not huge handouts? Sure this is a mutually beneficial partnership, but like everything else in corporate America, the profits are capitalized, but the losses are socialized.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:31 pm to
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Of course it is, like most other companies. What are tax breaks if not huge handouts? Sure this is a mutually beneficial partnership, but like everything else in corporate America, the profits are capitalized, but the losses are socialized.

A tax break is far from a handout. We've been programmed to believe that when the gov't let's us keep some of our own money, they're giving us theirs.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11738 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:42 pm to
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Of course it is, like most other companies. What are tax breaks if not huge handouts? Sure this is a mutually beneficial partnership, but like everything else in corporate America, the profits are capitalized, but the losses are socialized.

When people talk about SpaceX receiving billions from taxpayers they aren’t talking about tax breaks. They’re talking about the launch contracts SpaceX has sold to the federal government. That’s not a handout.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
14954 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:53 pm to
I remember when Progressives idolized Elon Musk, illegal immigrants, and homosexuals. And then poof…. they became the bad guys.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 12:16 am to
Who do you think helped keep the company in business for a decade before their rockets could start paying with payloads?
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4578 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 12:18 am to
As if space talk doesn’t go hand in hand with endless government subsidy.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11738 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 12:39 am to
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Who do you think helped keep the company in business for a decade before their rockets could start paying with payloads?

SpaceX was founded in 2002, attempted their first launch in 2006, and put their first commercial satellite in orbit in 2009. And the Falcon 1 development was self-funded by SpaceX.

It is true that DOD and NASA awarded SpaceX contracts for demonstration purposes before they were launching payloads, but that’s completely normal for the aerospace industry. I’d also argue those costs were likely far lower than what NASA would have spent internally trying to accomplish the same thing.

Regardless, the point still stands that government contracts are not the same thing as tax breaks.
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