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re: F. King Alexander is responsible for LSU holistic requirements and more minority students
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:44 pm to Celtic Tiger
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:44 pm to Celtic Tiger
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And the average score has increased quite a bit. Gpa as well.
Last I heard, about 1/3 of the incoming class has an ACT score on their file. When you exclude 2/3 of the sample data, the “average” is a completely worthless metric.
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:45 pm to Celtic Tiger
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You know how many applicants LSU has these days? 56,000 last year. And will have more this year. For roughly 8.000 spots. That’s twice the number of applicants they would get 5-10 years ago. 56,000 is insane. So even w some doing no score, the average scores of the kids they take has gotten higher because of dramatically increased competition and a more talented overall pool. So yeah. It has gone up
Interesting, thanks for contribution.
So the result of the wholistic admissions is that a lot of non-diverse (lol) applicants who would have gotten in with, say, a 25 ACT, now will not.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:51 pm to Earnest_P
Almost certainly. And I think wholistic is a silly idea. But I do think the average incoming student is of higher “overall quality” ON AVERAGE because of increased competition. Especially w the increased out of state apps. Individual milage may vary I guess. And I could have heard wrong, and really have no true data on it other than the LSU sales pitch, but I want to say tests were still the norm. They certainly pushed them in the “applying 101” thing IMO
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:56 pm to Celtic Tiger
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And the average score has increased quite a bit. Gpa as well.
Are you talking about average ACT score of applicants to LSU or average ACT score of incoming freshmen to LSU? Those are two different things.
Also, The correct way to say it is the average ACT score of students who chose to turn in an ACT score. If it was said that way, the next logical question would be " what percentage of students chose not to turn in and ACT score?"
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:57 pm to lsupride87
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the current incoming class at lsu has the highest ever ACT scores for lsu freshman
as many others said, LSU is test optional, so many people are admitted with no scores.
presumably the people who do not submit scores do it because they are low, correct?
so do you understand why noting a higher average ACT for the tests actually submitted is not a strong point in your favor?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 6:57 pm to Celtic Tiger
quote:But if, say, 30% don't submit scores because they are subpar, the average score is misleading and, worthless.
And the average score has increased quite a bit
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:02 pm to Dingeaux
I don’t know how many turned in a score. The idea that only 1/3rd did seems off though. But I was talking about the scores for the incoming class. That incoming class had the highest scores ever. For those that did use scores, anyway. My impression was more did than not. But would definitely change my mind if I saw actual numbers saying otherwise.
ETA. My main takewaway/point is that it’s harder overall to get into LSU than in the past. Because there’s 2x the competition for the same number of spots. And that my kid needed to take the ACT again
y’all feel free to have yours apply wholistically.
ETA. My main takewaway/point is that it’s harder overall to get into LSU than in the past. Because there’s 2x the competition for the same number of spots. And that my kid needed to take the ACT again
y’all feel free to have yours apply wholistically. This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:02 pm to Jake88
And it has to be they are only averaging a certain percentage of the submitted scores
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:04 pm to lsupride87
He was fricking disaster
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:27 pm to lsu777
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He actually wasnt a terrible AD overall. I still hate him though
I hate Alleva for what he did at Duke as much as anything
Posted on 8/22/25 at 7:30 pm to chalmetteowl
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Our state university should reflect the demographics of our state
Our state university basketball team should reflect the demographics of the state. See how stupid that sounds.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:29 pm to Jake88
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Like what? How did academic ranking fare under Tate
Zero budgeted a lot of shitty useless depts snd made them justify their funding, funneled more money towards stem and ran a very research forward university..in turn that brought about some pretty groundbreaking research partnerships and grants...which is what a university like LSU should be doing and hanging its hat on.
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when you run something for four years, you own it. He knew all of this and kept it going. Tate is just as culpable.
He does need to own not undoing F Kings admissions disaster....that is on him, and while im not optimistic about a university president hired under the Landry administration, I at least have some faith that this MIGHT get cleaned up. BUT Tate is certainly not as culpable of the MF who started the issue.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:35 pm to lsupride87
Exactly, but don't let that get in the way of the people who want to blame William Tate.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 8:36 pm to lsupride87
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the current incoming class at lsu has the highest ever ACT scores for lsu freshman…..
Okay, I'll bite. Judging by what we're seeing, in order for that to happen somewhere around 40% of the incoming freshmen would have to have perfect ACT scores to offset what is being shown in various videos.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:02 pm to RohanGonzales
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They probably have been getting financial aid at grossly higher levels than actual students, too?
That was part of Alexander and Tate plans at LSU. In the fall of 2021 LSU and Tate celebrated hitting 30.3% of the freshman class being Pell grant eligible.
Seems Tate took what Alexander started and ran with it faster with his increasing enrollment focus. During the 2015 to 2020 push by Alexander mentioned in article he did a better job at running off the white students than bringing in blacks and hispanics compared to Tate.
Spring of 2015 blacks made up 11.2% of total enrollment (3,219), and hispanics made up 5.3% (1,537). Spring of 2020 blacks made up 12.5% of total enrollment (3,606), and hispanics made up 6.9% (1,991).
An Increase of 387 blacks, and increase of 454 hispanics from spring of 2015 to spring of 2020.
Whites were at 20,490 in Spring 2015 and at 19,202 in Spring 2020 for a net loss of 1,288.
Spring of 2021 blacks made up 13.7% (4,120) and Hispanics 7.3% (2,183) of enrollment. Spring of 2025 blacks made up 19% (6,609) and hispanics 9.5% (3,315) of enrollment.
An increase of 2,489 blacks and an increase of 1,132 hispanics from Spring of 2021 to Spring of 2025.
Whites were at 19,712 in spring 2021 and were 19,762 in spring of 2025 for net gain of 50 for same time frame.
Also, the entering freshman class in fall of 2024 was 26.8% black, and Tate had a big part in 2025’s freshman class which may see those numbers grow even higher this fall when fall figures released.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:14 pm to lsupride87
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the current incoming class at lsu has the highest ever ACT scores for lsu freshman…..
ACT is not mandatory, and students would likely just be using for admission decisions when scoring high. There were also scoring differences like taking best score of each section from multiple tests taken to calculate a superscore starting in 2023 at LSU instead of using the highest single test score.
Directly from LSU 2024 freshman highlights
quote:https://www.lsu.edu/data/files/enrollment_highlights/enrollment_highlights-fall2024.pdf
New Freshmen Notes: Beginning with the Fall 2021 cohort, test scores only include students who elected to have test scores considered during the admissions and scholarship decision process. Beginning Fall 2023, the ACT composite is based on superscore.
Tate’s ACT scores are inflated when compared to prior years. Also, what are the SAT scores? I guess it’s area dependent, but it seems all I hear about are the SATs now.
For anyone have the ACTs and SATs been made equitable by the left yet, or are they just riding with keeping them voluntary for admissions and superscoring?
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:17 pm to lsupride87
Was it continued after FKA left?
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:31 pm to lsupride87
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F. King Alexander is responsible for LSU holistic requirements and more minority students
It was Bobby Jindal
Bobby flipped the funding model for higher education
Prior to Bobby, 70% of LSU’s revenue was from the state with tuition only covering 30%. He flipped that ratio
Bobby forced schools to rely on tuition which meant bringing in as many students as possible. It also explains why tuition/fees have exploded as well
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:36 pm to lsupride87
F King was absolutely awful
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:38 pm to lsupride87
You are one stupid motherfricker.
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