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Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:29 pm to Lincoln Dawson
If you've never driven an EV you will not understand, and I say this as someone who drove stick shifts for twenty years.
The style of driving for a pure EV is really top-notch. They are the smoothest acceleration, quickest off the line, and nicest to .. brake. Yeah, never thought I'd say that, but regen braking is so much smoother than normal braking.
You mention cost, depending on how much you drive, it will pay itself off in 3 years or so relative to the sticker difference of the old school gas engine and that's just counting never filling up with gas again. You throw in the $7k fed rebate (and I think $2k for LA if they're still doing that) and that's 7-9k in your pocket to either help pay that loan off of put into an investment account (because yeah it will be cash in your pocket).
Here's another benefit most people on here probably don't realize. With the newer EVs, you can actually pull power out of them. IE, they are generators. That's pretty handy in a power outage scenario.
Now, there's still room for hybrids. For example, when I evacuated for Ida having a hybrid was clutch because not only did I not need to fill up that often, but I also wasn't stuck looking for charging stations.
So the only real drawback of an EV right now is charging. You'll have to learn to just charge to 80% on road trips and just get used to that. But once EV charging infrastructure is up to parity with gas, only crazy weirdos or really niche usecases will prefer ICE.
The style of driving for a pure EV is really top-notch. They are the smoothest acceleration, quickest off the line, and nicest to .. brake. Yeah, never thought I'd say that, but regen braking is so much smoother than normal braking.
You mention cost, depending on how much you drive, it will pay itself off in 3 years or so relative to the sticker difference of the old school gas engine and that's just counting never filling up with gas again. You throw in the $7k fed rebate (and I think $2k for LA if they're still doing that) and that's 7-9k in your pocket to either help pay that loan off of put into an investment account (because yeah it will be cash in your pocket).
Here's another benefit most people on here probably don't realize. With the newer EVs, you can actually pull power out of them. IE, they are generators. That's pretty handy in a power outage scenario.
Now, there's still room for hybrids. For example, when I evacuated for Ida having a hybrid was clutch because not only did I not need to fill up that often, but I also wasn't stuck looking for charging stations.
So the only real drawback of an EV right now is charging. You'll have to learn to just charge to 80% on road trips and just get used to that. But once EV charging infrastructure is up to parity with gas, only crazy weirdos or really niche usecases will prefer ICE.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:38 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Pros:
If you have a decently long commute, you save yourself the time at the pump. People who commute 80-120 miles per day are not so uncommon.
Similarly, these people putting lots of miles on rapidly are probably a little excited about no oil changes.
Cons:
Long trips become a hassle at best
Price, in this case. There are supposedly cheaper versions than what you’re quoting. Whether they exist on paper or the real world remains to be seen.
Unusable as a towing vehicle beyond the in-town range, basically. So if you sometimes put a riding lawnmower on a yard trailer and go out of town, you are probably ok. But if you want a boat or camper that’s even as far as the standard commute above, it is, again, a hassle at best.
Most people with a commute like that aren’t spending $90K on a commuter vehicle. In a lot of ways, they’re better off in a Corolla.
But if the promised base models in that $35,000 range really do exist and have basic things like AC, cruise control, it would be a great thing to drive 8h/week in and plug it up in 20 seconds instead of stopping at the gas pump once or twice a week.
I wouldn’t get rid of my ICE for that, though.
If you have a decently long commute, you save yourself the time at the pump. People who commute 80-120 miles per day are not so uncommon.
Similarly, these people putting lots of miles on rapidly are probably a little excited about no oil changes.
Cons:
Long trips become a hassle at best
Price, in this case. There are supposedly cheaper versions than what you’re quoting. Whether they exist on paper or the real world remains to be seen.
Unusable as a towing vehicle beyond the in-town range, basically. So if you sometimes put a riding lawnmower on a yard trailer and go out of town, you are probably ok. But if you want a boat or camper that’s even as far as the standard commute above, it is, again, a hassle at best.
Most people with a commute like that aren’t spending $90K on a commuter vehicle. In a lot of ways, they’re better off in a Corolla.
But if the promised base models in that $35,000 range really do exist and have basic things like AC, cruise control, it would be a great thing to drive 8h/week in and plug it up in 20 seconds instead of stopping at the gas pump once or twice a week.
I wouldn’t get rid of my ICE for that, though.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:43 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Electric vehicles suck. It’s a glorified golf cart.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:44 pm to CaptainsWafer
quote:
Gas trucks also have a limited cruising range.
Sure do, but it only take five minutes to fill up. Now do the EV.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:54 pm to Lincoln Dawson
quote:Because the vast majority of people are daily commuters and also generally are 2 car households so you have a gas vehicle if you truly feel you need it for long trips, and an EV works perfectly for a daily commuter.
explain to me why a person would want to buy electric vehicle
quote:The main answer to your OP is most EVs that are being purchased aren't remotely near $90k.
i took a quick look at the new f-150 lightning - the electric model and i am in shock. 90,000. not a mistake.
the gas model platinum is expensive enough, but who in their right mind is going to buy an electric model for 20,000 more than gas with a limited cruising range?
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:54 pm to dandyjohn
quote:
You throw in the $7k fed rebate (and I think $2k for LA if they're still doing that) and that's 7-9k in your pocket to either help pay that loan off of put into an investment account (because yeah it will be cash in your pocket).
This needs to go away. Now that EV's are mass produced, time to end the tax credits for them. Also time to figure out how to tax them by mileage or something to level the field with those who pay gas taxes.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:55 pm to kciDAtaE
quote:Right
So your entire issue with an EV is price?
I don't see anyone ever starting threads asking why Lexus, Mercedes or even Ferrari make vehicles since they're so expensive, what's the difference here?
Posted on 1/30/22 at 8:01 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:
Plan for $20K for batteries after 8 or so years of ownership
Posted on 1/30/22 at 8:05 pm to ruzil
quote:For 99% of a daily commuter, it takes about 10 seconds of my time, which is the time it takes to plug it in while it charges overnight.
Sure do, but it only take five minutes to fill up. Now do the EV
I spend wayyyyyy less of my actual time making my car charge than you do getting gas.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 8:07 pm to shel311
That quote of 20k for a new battery is based off the dude from Finland and just gets regurgitated. It has become laughable.
Same people who get their blinker fluid refilled at the dealership.
Same people who get their blinker fluid refilled at the dealership.
This post was edited on 1/30/22 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 1/30/22 at 8:07 pm to ruzil
I’m 1000% team gas. OPs arguments are weak and I was just tying to poke holes in them. Literally every vehicle has a limited fuel/cruising range.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 9:24 pm to McLemore
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Charge up at a campground then go off grid and top off with solar.
The average person doesn’t understand the power capacity that has to be available to charge a EV in a reasonable amount time. iIf you are using the 30 amp 120 volts available at most RV parks plan on being there a couple of days. Given the small amount of surface area available for solar panels even on a RV it is not worth bothering with considering the tiny amount of range per hour of sun that would be added. To fully charge a Tesla model 3 in 7-8 hours, requires a 240 volt 50 amp circuit, to fully charge the model 3 with its onboard 120 volt charger takes 7-8 days. EVs are the polar opposite of being free to roam around, and with rising utility rates the days of camp grounds allowing you to plug in for free are numbered.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 9:25 pm to fallguy_1978
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I don't want the Earth to catch on fire.
news flash, it's going to happen with or without EVs.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 9:32 pm to dandyjohn
quote:
If you've never driven an EV you will not understand
Yep. Drive one for a day is what I tell people
Posted on 1/30/22 at 9:54 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Cause it’s a Ford.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 9:57 pm to dandyjohn
quote:
But once EV charging infrastructure is up to parity with gas
And what is the environmental cost of creating that and eventually
scrapping working ICE related infrastructure?
Posted on 1/30/22 at 9:58 pm to jmarto1
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Drive one for a day is what I tell people
And then wait 8 hours for it to charge so that you can drive it again
This post was edited on 1/30/22 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 1/30/22 at 10:00 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:
Also time to figure out how to tax them by mileage or something to level the field with those who pay gas taxes.
Except the ICE vehicles will end up paying both taxes eventually.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 10:13 pm to weagle99
quote:quote:And then wait 8 hours for it to charge so that you can drive it again
Drive one for a day is what I tell people
As luck would have it, I typically wait 8 hours to drive my truck again every day anyway.
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