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re: Excessive Caffeine and brain hemorages

Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:37 am to
Posted by Big Block Stingray
Top down on open road
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:37 am to
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I dont know if this is true but Im finished with energy drinks.



Not only is it true, Pre-workout supplements are far worse.

I've treated numerous patients under 40 with MI and cerebral hemorrhages related to energy drinks and Pre-workout supplements. Most if not all had zero family his history were not predisposed.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 8:42 am
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
35978 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:40 am to
I've never understood the energy drink fad. They taste disgusting.
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:40 am to
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I really never have understood the fascination with these so called energy drinks.




Huh? It’s just a stimulant, like coffee. Most people don’t want to drink coffee in afternoon etc. so this is a replacement for that. I don’t comprehend not comprehending that
Posted by VanCleef
Member since Aug 2014
704 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:56 am to
Not only is it true, Pre-workout supplements are far worse.

I've treated numerous patients under 40 with MI and cerebral hemorrhages related to energy drinks and Pre-workout supplements. Most if not all had zero family his history were not predisposed.


Please tell me you are an er tech and not a medical professional that requires clinical judgement or any critical thinking skills or just an internet troll.
No person with advanced medical training would think that.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 9:07 am
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:10 am to
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Please tell me you are like an er tech and not a medical professional that requires clinical judgement or any critical thinking skills or just an internet troll.
No person with advanced medical training would think that.


So you think it's not plausible for a non regulated stimulant supplement can cause some form of cardiac complication?

Am I understanding this correctly?
Posted by VanCleef
Member since Aug 2014
704 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:23 am to
My field is an evidence based field. We change our practices every few years based on best evidence. The evidence required to make any assertion has to be overwhelming in nature.

What medical journal links hemorrhagic strokes to energy drinks? I'll answer in advance, there are none.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 9:42 am
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24728 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:31 am to
Energy drinks are highly popular and a massive market growing at around a 9% CAGR over he last three years. The typical energy drink has between 140-160mg of caffeine per 16 oz serving. Coffee has about 160mg of caffeine per 8 is serving so 320ng per 16 oz.The most common other ingredients in energy drinks outside of caffeine and Guarana and Taurine but a lot of newer brands are exploring the use of other supplements. There are a lot of interesting New beverages out there taking a cleaner spin on energy drinks, often brewing other leaves like Yerbe Mate or Guyusa.

Personally, I enjoy the taste of energy drinks and drink them in the afternoon a few times a week. I would prefer to drink them less but I think more sleep would be the solve.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42051 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:34 am to
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Energy drinks are highly popular and a massive market growing at around a 9% CAGR over he last three years. The typical energy drink has between 140-160mg of caffeine per 16 oz serving.


This monster zero im still sipping on has 140mg. So drinking 16 oz of this is less caffeine than drinking 16 oz of actual coffee if im reading that correctly.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
33645 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:36 am to
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I myself prefer coffee but will opt here and there for a RB. Btw, a grande coffee from Starbucks has 355mg of caffeine.....that's a lot!


Same. I don't drink or eat added sugar at all. As in literally at all. So I couldn't imagine a regular red bull these days.

I do still have one can of the very last of regular full-sugar, full-caffeine, full alcohol Four Loko in my mini-fridge from 7 years ago! I would die.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24728 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:38 am to
Undoubtedly, way less caffeine on an equalivized volume. The argument some posters are making is that the other ingredients like Taurine have side effects that ‘make energy drinks worse’ than drinking coffee.

Here is a great site for understanding the other ingredients used in beverages and food products: LINK
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70432 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:51 am to
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Not only is it true, Pre-workout supplements are far worse.


I was going to come in here and say I have maybe 3 energy drinks a week, mostly on weekends, but take a fairly potent pre workout 4-6 days a week. Sometimes if on a Saturday or Friday I will take a pre workout in the morning and an energy drink in the afternoon if going to have beers. I guess I will die soon.
Posted by Big Block Stingray
Top down on open road
Member since Feb 2009
2012 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:52 am to
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My field is an evidence based field. We change our practices every few years based on best evidence. The evidence required to make any assertion has to be overwhelming in nature.

What medical journal links a hemorrhagic strokes to energy drinks? I'll answer in advance, there are none.



So you need a professional journal to tell you stimulants cause arrhythmias, hypertension along with excessive diuresis which are all contributing factors to NSTEMI /STEMIs and aneurysms?


On the contrary, there are professional studies on the subject, unless your journal in question is Popular Mechanics of course.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
60854 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:55 am to
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Most people don’t want to drink coffee in afternoon etc.


Not most people I know. This has to be a generational thing.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
26381 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:59 am to
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I dont know if this is true but Im finished with energy drinks.
e had a few baw's pass out on the job site due to the over consumption of energy drinks. Cost the company a lot of money to discover it was not work related.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:09 am to
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Im finished with energy drinks.
You don't have to stop all together. Just drink in moderation. Too much water will cause unbelievable problems too.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61841 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:17 am to
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Caffeine isn't the only thing in red bull.
Well no shite. The OP's post, which I responded to, is only referring to the caffeine in it.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27409 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:36 am to
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Coffee is the only energy drink I drink. I really never have understood the fascination with these so called energy drinks.


Me too. And two cups. That’s it. Anymore and I get edgy. I don’t know caffeine levels of a monster vs. a coffee, but it always amazes me at any bar or pub. They have the little cooler of Red Bull’s. They seem to be only for the staff and the occasional BullBlaster or whatever the hell else type of shot they have it in.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:41 am to
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