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re: Evidence 500,000 year old petrified log cabin found in Zambia (not sure how I missed this)
Posted on 2/15/26 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/15/26 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well, the point certainly went WAY over your head.
Not at all. I look into things like this. Half the time the "science" is highly caveated or questionable, turns out to be tainted, or even produced from whole cloth. Science, by its very nature, calls us to question its conclusions. And even when it is not caveated, questionable, tainted, or out of whole cloth, it does not undermine Christianity. Being Christian does not mean wholly shutting out any science that does not appear on its face to be compatible with Christianity. By all means, research it.
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Judeo-Christianity only works if human society started around the Bronze Age. If we find out humans existed long before, that ESPECIALLY if we find out advanced (Iron Age at best) civilizations existed longer than we once thought. The Old Testament is written around a Mediterranean, Bronze Age-early Iron Age understanding of the world. It only works within that context, and if we find out that the story of mankind on Earth is something completely different, we get into a similar scenario if aliens are ever revealed to be true: how can the story of humanity and Earth leave all of that out?
It appears that your argument is from the perspective of someone with an all or nothing approach to the Bible: it is either 100% literally written and the truth, or it is 100% false. Sola scripture or nothing. That is not my perspective. I don't believe that the timelines in the Bible are 100% literal, and I am not called to interpret them as such. Even Pope John Paul II voiced support for reason and science. I think that is a reasonable view. And it is reasonable to question the "science," is it not?
And certainly if someone would like, they can question Christianity. Quite frankly, if they have questions, then they should, perhaps as the poster has. There is 2,000 years of doctrinal research to rely upon to gain answers (for instance, as to the question of where righteous souls went before Jesus came as Savior). However, at some point, I would agree that there are no answers other than by faith.
For example, in my reference to the Book of John, it is simply beyond the realm of human scientific belief and reason that the crowds would have to eat Christ's body and drink His blood to receive eternity. Transubstantiation is beyond the realm of scientific explanation. As was the virgin birth. As is the Trinity. As are Christ's miracles. As was Christ's ascension into Heaven. If you can't believe beyond the realm of earthly reason, then being a Christian is a difficult, if not impossible, calling. That is where faith comes in.
This post was edited on 2/15/26 at 1:11 pm
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Posted on 2/15/26 at 1:12 pm to Proximo
quote:And even they knew what a woman was, despite lacking the words. . .fast forward to today
Homo erectus used tools and created simple shelters 1.5 million years ago
Posted on 2/15/26 at 1:16 pm to DownSouthJukin
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It appears that your argument is from the perspective of someone with an all or nothing approach to the Bible: it is either 100% literally written and the truth, or it is 100% false. Sola scripture or nothing. That is not my perspective. I don't believe that the timelines in the Bible are 100% literal, and I am not called to interpret them as such. Even Pope John Paul II voiced support for reason and science. I think that is a reasonable view. And it is reasonable to question the "science," is it not?
And certainly if someone would like, they can question Christianity. Quite frankly, if they have questions, then they should, perhaps as the poster has. There is 2,000 years of doctrinal research to rely upon to gain answers (for instance, as to the question of where righteous souls went before Jesus came as Savior). However, at some point, I would agree that there are no answers other than by faith.
For example, in my reference to the Book of John, it is simply beyond the realm of human scientific belief and reason that the crowds would have to eat Christ's body and drink His blood to receive eternity. Transubstantiation is beyond the realm of scientific explanation. As was the virgin birth. As is the Trinity. As are Christ's miracles. As was Christ's ascension into Heaven. If you can't believe beyond the realm of earthly reason, then being a Christian is a difficult, if not impossible, calling. That is where faith comes in.
I mean Science and the Bible are the same when it comes to just being stuff a man is telling you to believe happened.
You can't say you dont trust scientific research because it is tainted by man but instead you believe the bible which was written by man.
at least scientists for the most part try to present the evidence of what they are trying to tell you happened.
this is not directed specifically at you DSJ just in a general sense
God instilled a general sense of hope within us all and faith is required for man to go forward and do good things
This post was edited on 2/15/26 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 2/15/26 at 1:28 pm to sgallo3
quote:I understand what you are saying and that it is not aimed directly at me.
this is not directed specifically at you DSJ just in a general sense
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I mean Science and the Bible are the same when it comes to just being stuff a man is telling you to believe happened.
You can't say you dont trust scientific research because it is tainted by man but instead you believe the bible which was written by man.
at least scientists for the most part try to present the evidence of what they are trying to tell you happened.
I am not saying to 100% not trust scientific research. It would be disingenuous for anyone to say that, and, frankly, stupid. I said to question it.
If you accept the science simply based upon a man's proclamation that it must be accepted, then I don't know what to tell you. That is not science. That is mandate. And if you have questions about the Bible and its teaching, then to a certain extent I say the same thing. If you want to question it, then do so. There are answers out there.
But man's science and God's faith differ: science is of man, faith is of God. You must be able to accept certain elements of the faith that cannot be explained by science. Whereas science tells you that if it cannot be tested and proven, then it cannot be true. At some point a Christian has to pass beyond science in order to fully accept the faith.
Additionally, and I think this is where some faiths start having problems, is that the Bible does not contain 100% of your answers. It was never meant to. It is the basis of faith, not the end of faith. There are church teachers, writers, scholars, philosophers, and theologians that have done much theological research to answer questions of faith that can be answered by man. As I said above, if you question your faith, turn to them for answers. If you still, as a Christian, question your faith, unlike with man's science, you have to at some point make the leap of faith (pun intended), as did the early Christians (as I discussed in my first post in this thread).
This post was edited on 2/15/26 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/15/26 at 1:40 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Story Came out in 2023
"Further analysis confirmed the logs were about 476,000 years old."
Update
"Further analysis confirmed the logs were about 476,003 years old."
Posted on 2/15/26 at 2:40 pm to Proximo
quote:quote:okay bud
I question all dating simply because I don’t believe they know what they are talking about.
Funny how you left off the the soft tissue part of my statement: stretchy blood vessels and collagen in 65-million-year-old T. rex bones, flexible enough to squeeze like rubber bands. Not bacteria, not mineral goo, actual dinosaur tissue.
They slap exceptional preservation on it like that’s not a massive problem for millions-of-years decay math. Iron cross-linking magic, sure, whatever helps you sleep.
Soft tissue laughs at deep time, dating assumptions crumble under scrutiny, yet somehow it’s still settled science. Cute. How wrong are the models? Probably hilariously so. Keep pretending it’s bulletproof though.
Posted on 2/15/26 at 2:46 pm to cssamerican
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somehow it’s still settled science
Tell us more about how you dont understand science.
I go about my life relying on the things Ive tried and tested to remain true, but there is no way i can know that they will remain true. That doesnt mean im gonna go jump off a cliff hoping that what I've seen to be the likely result wont happen because i cant know that it will.
Posted on 2/15/26 at 3:23 pm to Pepperoni
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"Further analysis confirmed the logs were about 476,000 years old."
Update
"Further analysis confirmed the logs were about 476,003 years old."
lmao
Posted on 2/15/26 at 3:25 pm to cssamerican
They could tell by the zinc-coated screws.
Pretty easy, tbh.
Pretty easy, tbh.
Posted on 2/15/26 at 4:36 pm to magildachunks
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As a Christian
Then you explain how you're not
Posted on 2/15/26 at 4:50 pm to rooster108bm
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Then you explain how you're not
How so?
I don't view Buddhism as a religion. It's a philosophy of how to live your life.
Jesus preached a lot of the same lessons that the Buddha did.
This post was edited on 2/15/26 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 2/15/26 at 4:52 pm to soccerfüt
No way its as funny in German than it is in English.
Posted on 2/15/26 at 5:37 pm to OweO
Here's what gives me pause
Say the logs are actually that old. How do they determine that the notch marks are also that old?
Curious if anyone on here knows how they go about that?
Say the logs are actually that old. How do they determine that the notch marks are also that old?
Curious if anyone on here knows how they go about that?
Posted on 2/15/26 at 5:50 pm to magildachunks
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That's why when you die, you never fully cease to exist. You just pass into another phase of the Universal Energy, and continue to exist within it. Your essence carries on in plants, water, animals, etc.
So....Star Wars?
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