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re: EV owners are going to pay the piper in TX.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:16 pm to Wraytex
Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:16 pm to Wraytex
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No, they need to be paying a grid upgrade fee,
You realize they are paying customers, right? What are energy companies doing with the money they get from selling electricity, if not using it to provide it?
In addition to that, EVs can, in theory, help store and distribute power during emergencies.
Jesus Christ, y'all are some dummies.
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Posted on 5/21/23 at 11:30 pm to billjamin
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More of a Stripes taco guy?
I don’t have a dog in this fight but stripes breakfast tacos are legit and shouldn’t be besmirched in this conversation.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 6:29 am to RTRinTampa
A simple solution is to tax electricity used at Superchargers and charging stations like you tax gas. 2-5 cents per kilowatt hour. The feds should get in on it too, 2-5 cents per kilowatt hour, you can even say it is to recapture the EV tax credits people get when they buy an EV.
Also, you can require EV home chargers to have their own electrical meters or have circuitry to differentiate EV charging and home power needs so the electricity usage at home can be taxed there too.
Also, you can require EV home chargers to have their own electrical meters or have circuitry to differentiate EV charging and home power needs so the electricity usage at home can be taxed there too.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 6:48 am
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:02 am to Cosmo
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A Montana LLC costs $800. Seems more reasonable every year
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Thought they got rid of that loophole
Maybe in Texas. I don't know.
But it's alive and well elsewhere.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:03 am to RTRinTampa
It should be in line with gasoline taxes.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:20 am to BeepNode
"Jesus Christ, y'all are some dummies." You wear the shoe well considering your theory was not in place in the freeze of 21, which makes the point valid. Pay your fair share pinko.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:19 am to Wraytex
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Pay your fair share pinko.
Maybe this isn't a fair share.
Example:
My GX gets call it 18mpg combined. At .20/G I'm taxed at .01 per mile.
My wife drives her Model 3 5000 miles a year. She's now taxed at .04 per mile.
That 4X isn't fair. And it's because they were too lazy to do something that is fair and just passed through whatever they felt like.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:33 am to RTRinTampa
Seems similar to the gas tax over a year's period.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:40 am to Tarps99
quote:That will only cover maybe 20% of EV charging.
A simple solution is to tax electricity used at Superchargers and charging stations
quote:Nope. No way in hell will I allow government into my home to peek at what I'm using electricity for.
Also, you can require EV home chargers to have their own electrical meters or have circuitry to differentiate EV charging and home power needs so the electricity usage at home can be taxed there too.
Neither gas taxes nor electricity taxes are all that great at doing what they're intended to do anyway, which is align road use (damage/destruction/"consumption") with taxes paid. We either need tolls everywhere or let's take odo readings during inspection and multiply by vehicle weight on a log scale.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 1:25 pm to Korkstand
A lot of big government conservatives up in here.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 1:34 pm to BeepNode
Only the government can tax you to use roads that you also paid taxes to build and maintain. 
Then, when you don't use the fuel source they are currently taxing for this purpose, they tax the fuel service you have moved to but do not relieve any of the other tax burdens associated with that source. So, EV owners now get double taxed, instead of just re-apportioning tax proceeds from the sale of electricity.
Then, when you don't use the fuel source they are currently taxing for this purpose, they tax the fuel service you have moved to but do not relieve any of the other tax burdens associated with that source. So, EV owners now get double taxed, instead of just re-apportioning tax proceeds from the sale of electricity. Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:24 pm to billjamin
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That 4X isn't fair. And it's because they were too lazy to do something that is fair and just passed through whatever they felt like.
I think you’re seeing a combination of two factors:
1. Many states’ gas taxes are already antiquated and unable to keep up with inflation.
2. Very few people (among state governments or drivers) actually want to implement a usage-based road tax for EV’s.
I’ll address the second point first - if we all truly wanted a fair way to tax EV usage, that would mean either taxing per mile driven (meaning you would have to report odometer mileage regularly and the state would have to enforce it) or taxing per kWh used for EV charging (meaning more reporting/monitoring of home power usage).
I think we probably see things shift to a mileage-based tax in the long term, but that’s not going to be popular if we are being honest. Nobody wants to report more to the government and the government doesn’t want the administrative burden of having to manage it.
To the first point: I don’t know about Texas, but in Louisiana the gas tax is only worth about 43% of its original value the last time it was increased (1990). Everyone knows the gas tax is a massive part of our issues funding highway projects/maintenance, but there is no political will to increase it.
I bring this up because I’d be shocked if this didn’t play into the thinking on EV taxes at least to some extent. The states probably know that increasing any flat tax to match inflation will be incredibly difficult, so they’re going to aim high while EV adoption is still in its infancy. It would not be wise of them, long term, to match a gas tax that is already inadequate and out of date.
That doesn’t make it right, but I think it’s just reality.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:27 pm to billjamin
Evs are heavier, harder on the roads. Then there are the landfills to consider
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:50 pm to lostinbr
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That doesn’t make it right, but I think it’s just reality.
Yeah i really don't car and agree with both of those points but it's still just a lazy approach to me. Which is right on cue for politicians.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:53 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Evs are heavier, harder on the roads.
so my GX that's over 1000lbs heavier should be taxed at 25% of the lighter EV. This is such an asinine point. If you're really worried about weight then we should be hitting every soccer mom mobile and F150+ for higher fees. quote:
Then there are the landfills to consider
Batteries aren't going to landfills. This is an equally stupid point. You have to stop believing what you read on FaceBook.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:02 pm to RTRinTampa
Sooo... they'll pay their FAIR SHARE of road upkeep?
Posted on 5/22/23 at 7:29 pm to Korkstand
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let's take odo readings during inspection and multiply by vehicle weight on a log scale.
Some states don't even have inspections, though. Gonna have to sink even more money into more government agencies to go that route.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:19 pm to Gusoline
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Sooo... they'll pay their FAIR SHARE of road upkeep?
They could be paying more than their fair share though. At that’s why this is stupid and a lazy solution.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:25 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:Seems the revenue should cover it.
Some states don't even have inspections, though. Gonna have to sink even more money into more government agencies to go that route.
I'm all ears for more/better suggestions. I'll discuss a GoFundMe style of funding for roads and other infrastructure. Show me what we'll get and what it costs. Tell me my share. Do some studies. Show me the benefits or the cost of *not* funding the project. Campaign for your pet project. Give me some stretch goals.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:49 pm to Korkstand
They should tax ICE cars for being slow and in way of EVs.
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