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Posted on 9/21/15 at 4:03 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
VW was the largest car company in the world before today...
Posted on 9/21/15 at 4:05 pm to wickowick
Since I am seeing conflicting information I am asking an obvious question. The article in the OP says:
Affected diesel models include the 2009-15 Volkswagen Jetta, 2009-15 Beetle, 2009-15 Golf, 2014-15 Passat and 2009-15 Audi A3.
I feel like that would exclude my 2012 TDI Passat correct? Or does that mean I am really screwed because I have the same issue but I was not singled out? What did they change from 2012 to 2014?
Edit: apparently it is included in the EPA notice but not the article.
Affected diesel models include the 2009-15 Volkswagen Jetta, 2009-15 Beetle, 2009-15 Golf, 2014-15 Passat and 2009-15 Audi A3.
I feel like that would exclude my 2012 TDI Passat correct? Or does that mean I am really screwed because I have the same issue but I was not singled out? What did they change from 2012 to 2014?
Edit: apparently it is included in the EPA notice but not the article.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 4:41 pm to wickowick
Volkswagen won't be too terribly affected. They're monstrous. Volkswagen America will get destroyed.
The thing here I don't want to get stuck with whatever crap they come up with to fix this because that extreme of a reduction in NOx is not easy to do reliably. I don't see how they can come up with something to do it without canning the cars fuel economy performance and reliability. If they could, they wouldn't have done this to start with.
They have to warranty emissions related equipment failures up to something like 110,000 miles and DPF changes are not cheap. They almost definitely did this to extend the life of the DPF and EGR systems beyond the required warranty period.
The thing here I don't want to get stuck with whatever crap they come up with to fix this because that extreme of a reduction in NOx is not easy to do reliably. I don't see how they can come up with something to do it without canning the cars fuel economy performance and reliability. If they could, they wouldn't have done this to start with.
They have to warranty emissions related equipment failures up to something like 110,000 miles and DPF changes are not cheap. They almost definitely did this to extend the life of the DPF and EGR systems beyond the required warranty period.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 5:02 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
This is why other automakers steer clear of EGR in their diesels.....or don't offer diesels in the US at all (Toyota). It apparently isn't a setup that is compatible with American regulations. VW didn't figure out how to make it work....they just programmed a cheat.
A lot of VW's business in the US is based on this setup. This could be huge for them.
I'm not sure if they'll pull out of the US market, but I bet that they'll stop selling diesels here for a while. Not sure how they fix this. It will be very expensive.
A lot of VW's business in the US is based on this setup. This could be huge for them.
I'm not sure if they'll pull out of the US market, but I bet that they'll stop selling diesels here for a while. Not sure how they fix this. It will be very expensive.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:17 pm to PuntBamaPunt
Just had my 20k maintenance service done on Saturday. Any chance they could have performed the "fix" then? The wife picked up my car for me & I haven't checked the paperwork to see what all was done.
Barring any "demand" to have the "fix", whatever that might be, done should I be safe until the 40k maintenance?
I've seen a couple people state this is their first diesel, same here, and didn't there was any concern when I began reading about the situation, but now I'm kind of on the fence about this.
Barring any "demand" to have the "fix", whatever that might be, done should I be safe until the 40k maintenance?
I've seen a couple people state this is their first diesel, same here, and didn't there was any concern when I began reading about the situation, but now I'm kind of on the fence about this.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:34 pm to CMBears1259
I wouldn't guess they'd roll out a new program this quickly. That would mean that they would already have had it ready and to the dealers
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:36 pm to CMBears1259
Ehhhh I wouldn't panic yet. I would like to see something at least somewhat detailed on what they are proposing as a solution though.
In the mean time, just keep on driving
In the mean time, just keep on driving
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:42 pm to CMBears1259
No way they have a fix yet. I think it will be awhile before they have a fix. You better get ready to spend some dough on your 40k service. If you know how to change your oil you can perform the dsg trans fluid change also just an FYI
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:51 pm to Civildawg
I'm curious how the EPA will handle this. They know, 100% for sure no doubt, that there are non-compliant cars running around. They've gotta be pisssseeeeefddddddddddd
Posted on 9/21/15 at 6:58 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
EPA does whatever CARB tells them to, which probably means burning them all to the ground
Posted on 9/21/15 at 7:24 pm to Hammertime
Yep.
I'm waiting patiently to get my letter in the mail saying that an updated software package is out and I must report to the nearest dealer within a week to have my car reprogrammed or it will be impounded.
I'm waiting patiently to get my letter in the mail saying that an updated software package is out and I must report to the nearest dealer within a week to have my car reprogrammed or it will be impounded.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:14 pm to Civildawg
40k service was less than 600 for me. Not cheap, but doesn't nullify the fuel savings or anything.
I'm getting inspection and registering (or sttempting to) my jetta in Texas tomorrow. Hopefully that goes through and buys me a year before I have to do anything.
I'm getting inspection and registering (or sttempting to) my jetta in Texas tomorrow. Hopefully that goes through and buys me a year before I have to do anything.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:20 pm to Civildawg
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No way they have a fix yet. I think it will be awhile before they have a fix. You better get ready to spend some dough on your 40k service. If you know how to change your oil you can perform the dsg trans fluid change also just an FYI
Yeah, I didn't think they'd monkey around with any kind of fix yet, but the conspiracy theorist in me thought they might have known what was coming down.
I asked about the 40k service & was told it runs about $600 give or take. I know how to change my oil, but don't really want to run the risk of effing something up on a diesel engine. I'd rather pocket the money, but my company reimburses me pretty well for things just like this.
ETA: I love my Passat TDI SEL. The more I'm in it, however, the more I notice that in some respects, it's REALLY cheaply made. Noticed that the carpet was pulling out from underneath the plastic molding and that there's a small cut in the leather on my seat and I don't use wear anything that would have caused that.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:21 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Time to delete and bulletproof 
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:23 pm to CMBears1259
The fix is easy. Re-cal the ECM to run in emission control mode under all conditions. Voile!!!
The problem is your emission system is going to die an early smokey death, and Bolkswagen will have to warranty it, and DPF changes are not cheap.
The problem is your emission system is going to die an early smokey death, and Bolkswagen will have to warranty it, and DPF changes are not cheap.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:23 pm to Hammertime
I'm waiting to see what this is going to do to my warranty.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:35 pm to PuntBamaPunt
What a shame. I was considering a VW TDI station wagon.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:41 pm to GetCocky11
It's definitely a shame. They didn't have to cheat. The tech exists and is in widespread use by other manufacturers with a fairly decent track record recently.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Well, I have a question.
Is this a stupid EPA regulation? Or, is this a legit EPA regulation that does good?
Is this a stupid EPA regulation? Or, is this a legit EPA regulation that does good?
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