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Engineering firm to examine 20 steel connections at new downtown library
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:22 pm
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A structural engineer for the downtown River Center Branch Library identified nearly 20 steel connections in the building that he asked the contractor to uncover for examination, according to construction documents The Advocate received Tuesday in response to a public records request.
City-parish officials say they still have no timeline for when construction on the building can resume; meanwhile, the East Baton Rouge Metro Council is expected to vote Wednesday on a contract for a third-party engineering firm to review the work on the building. While the outside engineering firm, Exponent, has already begun its work under a $17,500 contract, the city-parish is proposing increasing the contract to $67,500.
The structural engineer for the project, Stephan Voss, asked for contractors to expose beam-to-column connections, expose column splices and remove fireproofing in 17 spots on the building's fourth floor and roof. He also asked contractors to expose two beam-to-column connections and to remove fireproofing on the library's second and third floors.
The drawings identify a "compromised connection" from a diagonal structure that extends from the building's fourth floor and helps hold up the roof.
What was the original timeline for opening?
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This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 1:24 pm
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:31 pm to Adam4848
Fill me in, but there is already a structural engineering firm hired, for $17,500, to investigate what happened, and the city now wants to pay them more?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:34 pm to Hammertime
I'm assuming their scope of work is increasing based on the want to directly examine the 20 connections.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:34 pm to Adam4848
I think we are seeing a new way to funnel money to supporters.
Screw all the "studies" before hand. Now we do multiple post construction studies.
Screw all the "studies" before hand. Now we do multiple post construction studies.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:37 pm to Hammertime
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Fill me in, but there is already a structural engineering firm hired, for $17,500, to investigate what happened, and the city now wants to pay them more?
I wouldn't expect 17.5k to get you very far with an engineering firm that is tasked with fixing a building with actual structural concerns. Especially if their going to have their name tied to the building now.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:39 pm to fightin tigers
We need a study to study the study of the political handout ( I mean study, sorry), to study the study of the study which at the end of the day is the library board walking away from the screw up.
Now, this disaster should be left at this condition, as a monument to The City of BR’s Disfunction.
Now, this disaster should be left at this condition, as a monument to The City of BR’s Disfunction.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:40 pm to Adam4848
It is common practice for steel connection design to be delegated to the steel fabricator with forces or reactions provided by the engineer of record.
Not sure what happened in this case, but something could have been overlooked or missed by the connection designer.
Not sure what happened in this case, but something could have been overlooked or missed by the connection designer.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:41 pm to Hammertime
quote:17-5 will get you a face to face meeting and a few conference calls.
ill me in, but there is already a structural engineering firm hired, for $17,500, to investigate what happened, and the city now wants to pay them more?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:43 pm to meltingman
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It is common practice for steel connection design to be delegated to the steel fabricator with forces or reactions provided by the engineer of record.
Not sure what happened in this case, but something could have been overlooked or missed by the connection designer.
Correct. It is also common practice to leave any connections that are modified outside of the original approved package open so that they can be examined and approved by the SE.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:44 pm to Adam4848
get Ramrod on the horn !
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:47 pm to CarRamrod
I'd expect the 17-5 begins to cover that particular structural engineer's liability insurance. That insurance on a mess like this has to be massive, because I can't imagine retrofitting the problems will solve 100% of the errors. Much less faulty materials.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:48 pm to johnnyrocket
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Now, this disaster should be left at this condition, as a monument to The City of BR’s Disfunction.
Only if they put "The City of BR’s Disfunction" exactly like that in big letters across the front.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:48 pm to real turf fan
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I'd expect the 17-5 begins to cover that particular structural engineer's liability insurance. That insurance on a mess like this has to be massive, because I can't imagine retrofitting the problems will solve 100% of the errors. Much less faulty materials.
Faulty materials are a different thing all together. Fixing the connections is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things nor is it very hard.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:49 pm to CarRamrod
quote:So they contracted for $17.5k to do the entire investigation, and then the city wants to pay them more? It seems like the city would've included "check all that shite out" in the original contract
While the outside engineering firm, Exponent, has already begun its work under a $17,500 contract, the city-parish is proposing increasing the contract to $67,500.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:50 pm to lsu777
quote:agreed
Faulty materials are a different thing all together. Fixing the connections is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things nor is it very hard.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:50 pm to lsu777
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something could have been overlooked or missed by the connection designer.
quote:
examined and approved by the SE [structural engineer of record]
the liability is "on the stamp" of the SE, not the delegated-design steel detailer.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:51 pm to Hammertime
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"check all that shite out" in the original contract
I dont think they knew the full extent of "all that shite" when they signed the original contract.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:51 pm to Hammertime
$17,500 is the maximum contract amount that does not need MC approval. So to get this started, the company agreed to begin the work under the $17.5k contract and wait for approval on the remaining amount.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:52 pm to Hammertime
The 17.5 is probably a boots on ground, let me check it out and read the reports and then I’ll get you a real number.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 1:53 pm to fightin tigers
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I wouldn't expect 17.5k to get you very far with an engineering firm that is tasked with fixing a building with actual structural concerns. Especially if their going to have their name tied to the building now.
17.5k will get you about 175 hours of engineering services on average.
Eta: thats probably too conservative, more like 125 or so hours.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 2:47 pm
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