re: Elon Musk outlines his master plan 2.0

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Tesla reportedly offered to pay half of the $3,100 repair bill for a customer whose 2013 Model S suspension failed at just 70,000 miles, 

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How often does this happen? I mean a lot of cars need shite done at 70k miles. Across all brands.

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What does that make you?

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Someone who doesn't actually believe in Hyperloop.

Dumbest idea ever. I wonder how much money he's cost himself wasting time on this idea when he could be making money doing whatever else he's known for.

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Someone who doesn't actually believe in Hyperloop.

Dumbest idea ever. I wonder how much money he's cost himself wasting time on this idea when he could be making money doing whatever else he's known for.

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He put the hyperloop out there into the world and basically said "build it", and I believe several companies are doing just that. And one day lots of people will use them, I have little doubt.

If world-changing ideas are a waste of time to you, then you are entitled to your opinion I guess. But I don't consider them a waste, and I don't think Musk wastes much of his time at all. He has accomplished more in 20 years than most of us could dream of doing in 20 lifetimes.

Elon Musk in a dreamer. All this talk about AI, solar energy and driverless cars will never work.
Just go back in history and read about the many failures.

The horse is here to stay, but the automobile is only a novelty—a fad.
- Advice from a president of the Michigan Savings Bank to Henry Ford's lawyer Horace Rackham. Rackham ignored the advice and invested $5000 in Ford stock, selling it later for $12.5 million.

That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
- Scientific American, Jan. 2, 1909.

A new source of power... called gasoline has been produced by a Boston engineer. Instead of burning the fuel under a boiler, it is exploded inside the cylinder of an engine.
The dangers are obvious. Stores of gasoline in the hands of people interested primarily in profit would constitute a fire and explosive hazard of the first rank. Horseless carriages propelled by gasoline might attain speeds of 14 or even 20 miles per hour. The menace to our people of vehicles of this type hurtling through our streets and along our roads and poisoning the atmosphere would call for prompt legislative action even if the military and economic implications were not so overwhelming... [T]he cost of producing [gasoline] is far beyond the financial capacity of private industry... In addition the development of this new power may displace the use of horses, which would wreck our agriculture.

- U. S. Congressional Record, 1875.

This `telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a practical form of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.
- Western Union internal memo, 1878

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Elon Musk plan for ruining the economy of the future.

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Thank God people like Elon Musk are leading the charge into the future. If some of the OT were in charge we'd still be riding around on horses and using DC power in our homes.

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See poster above .

All your many failure are belong to us

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I praise him for his desire, but we all want that, its simply NOT realistic given the state things are in...at least its not realistic right now. He wants to do this now...but he (understandably) seems unable to understand the socio-political forces at work preventing wholesale changes on the scale he wants.

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He has to start now to see success later. If he started later he wouldn't see success until much later.

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I would be shocked if 100% adoption of self driving happens in our lifetimes. Maybe generations from now no one will drive, but I don't think anyone alive today will live in a time where the option to drive is prohibited.

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Agreed.

Frankly, the automated driving seems like an all-or-nothing thing. If there is a significant portion of human drivers on the road, it inevitably effects the automated drivers, which can still result in collisions/accidents. Besides, its not like the automated vehicles are going to be top performing right out of the box. They're likely going to have many iterations before it works as the idea now suggests. At least that's how I've seen technology evolve up to this point.

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Frankly, the automated driving seems like an all-or-nothing thing. If there is a significant portion of human drivers on the road, it inevitably effects the automated drivers, which can still result in collisions/accidents.

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Humans + Humans = dangerous
Humans + Automated = less dangerous
All automated = negligible danger

The 'out of the box' comment may not apply.. because the software behind these automated vehicles actually learns. It learns in two major ways: first, it watches how humans drive successfully to plot the ideal course of the road (best fit line based over thousands of trials). then it also learns from it actually driving.

as of may 2016 Tesla has 373,000 net reservations ($1,000 deposit) each. they are being marketed between $35,000-$45,000 prior to any government incentives.

the size of the fleet learning currently is about ~100,000.. and it's going to quadruple within the next few years.