re: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX...19 children and two adults killed

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The problem is the unwillingness to address preventative measures. It’s all or nothing with many folks, and you can see it on this board.

When gun control is mentioned:
-“it’s my right to bear arms! I need to protect myself when the govt comes to take over”

When mental health is mentioned:
-“the govt has no right to determine who is mentally fit!”

Red flag laws:
-“those govt bastards will flag me when I post a picture of the gun I used to kill a deer!”

Lack of religion:
-“bullshite! I’m pro-choice too! You religious nuts can’t tell me that I need Jesus!”

It goes on and on. Nobody in here wants to solve the problem. Nobody in here wants to even take steps to mitigate the problem. Media and government has driven a wedge into this society, so any attempts to meet halfway will fail.

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Another great point. Man, I completely agree. Nothing but finger pointing and blaming with no action.

However, and this isn't rooted in certainty, but have we had any significant attacks at:

(1) governmental buildings since Timothy McVeigh/Oklahoma City (note, I'm hesitant to call in 1/6/2021 on the Capitol as I don't want to get off topic and that is apples and oranges);or

(2) on airports since 9/11?

It seems like preventive measures, in large part, have been taken and have been successful. I know we had that fricking loser in Brooklyn attack those innocent people on the subway recently; however, unlike airports, subways are largely unrestricted in terms of security. Many of these attacks are at unrestricted areas -- schools, movie theaters, open, public spaces (Las Vegas concert shooting), grocery stores, churches.

It is impossible to secure every area. I think we all understand that as that's not feasible. But again, at this point, we've got to step it up and secure the schools. I hate to say it, but it's reached that point. These are elementary school children...it makes me absolutely sick to type that and think of it. The most innocent of innocent and it is absolutely unacceptable.

All of these mass shooters seem to be around age 18 with a mental illness of some sort.

1. Raise the legal age of buying any firearm to 21. Why you have to be 21 to buy a handgun but only 18 to buy any other long gun that your budget allows is odd. 18 year olds aren't trusted to buy alcohol. And anticipating the always parroted "if you can die for your country at 18, blah blah" no one is forced to join the military out of high school. It's 100% a choice in today's world.

2. Any time you are treated for any mental condition, you should be flagged in a database and the only way you can obtain a firearm is a sworn affidavit from your healthcare provider. If you want a gun bad enough, this ensures consistent follow up with your healthcare provider. I had to do something similar for my concealed carry license because I take an antidepressant.

3. We could also put 2-3 full time security guards in every school in the country but we rather send that money to the Ukraine.

Still leaves private sales open, but a lot of these mass shootings were with legally obtained guns.

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Excellent points. What can we do to apply these measures to schools? It requires a shitload of money to staff, train, and pay people. It can be done, but it all has to start now. It will require serious investments from taxpayers.

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I'd rather start there that than the $2.3 Trillion we spent in Afghanistan or the $40 Billion we just shipped to the Ukraine.

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What are the anti-2A individuals willing to give up to meet halfway?

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Great question. There’s other sides of the school shooter issue. Mental health, security, etc all need to be addressed. EVERYONE needs to realize that any help will require some sacrifice. That said, I don’t know the solutions, just stating the obvious.

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And once the right gives up a position, it never comes back.

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I am a strong right-leaning. I’ve also come to my senses about a lot of shite. I don’t care about gay marriage anymore. I’m also pro-choice.

It doesn’t make me correct or morally superior, but I realize that my beliefs are (or were) not best for all of society. You have to sacrifice for the greater good.

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Eh

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Agree to disagree and let it be. I’m not going to force you to think like me. It’s the refusal to acknowledge any other perspective that has landed us in this situation anyway.

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Agree to disagree and let it be. I’m not going to force you to think like me. It’s the refusal to acknowledge any other perspective that has landed us in this situation anyway.

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So I should give up on my beliefs just to appease some dummy (not necessarily you as the dummy)?

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so what would compel him to shoot up a bunch of random innocent children, instead of taking his anger/revenge out on the people who bullied him?

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Because he was a fricking pussy loser and I hope his corpse is pissed on by possums for eternity.

It’s all so sad. Time to make restrictions to buy long guns tighter.

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Just pick your battles

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human life seems like a pretty good one to pick.

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Unfortunately in an issue like mass shootings, there would need to be compromise to help improve situations. What is the compromise? I don’t have that answer.

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The compromise should be gun free zones don't work. Get rid of them. Increase support for mental health.

Were there any school security cops/officers at this school?