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re: Dunkirk, Thermopylae, The Alamo...
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:08 am to pensacola
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:08 am to pensacola
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Not just or necessarily pyrrhic, but ones that live on favorably and perpetually for the losing side.
I'm pretty sure the British don't remember Gallipoli favorably or with fondness.
Would it kill the OP to give a clear explanation of wtf he is talking about?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:26 am to ChewyDante
quote:
British don't remember Gallipoli favorably or with fondness.
Nor Passchendaele, where the meat-grinder bound BEF sang as they marched,
"We're here because we're here
because
we're here because we're here..."
(to the tune of Auld Lang Syne)
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:28 am to ChewyDante
quote:
I'm pretty sure the British don't remember Gallipoli favorably or with fondness.
Yeah, it almost completely ruined Churchill
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:39 am to pensacola
The Great Time War between the Daleks and Time Lords.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:13 pm to dbeck
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I was thinking of battles where the losing side memorializes, elevates, or celebrates the battle even though it is a tactical loss.
So the first Rocky.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:03 pm to kciDAtaE
The Brits don't remember Gallipoli fondly, but it is huge with the ANZACS.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:29 pm to pensacola
Gettysburg
Cannae
Waterloo
Leningrad
Stalingrad
Bastogne
Tours
Baden Hill
Teutoburg Forest
Spanish Armada
Corduba
Cannae
Waterloo
Leningrad
Stalingrad
Bastogne
Tours
Baden Hill
Teutoburg Forest
Spanish Armada
Corduba
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:21 pm to pensacola
quote:
The Brits don't remember Gallipoli fondly, but it is huge with the ANZACS.
The Australians consider Gallipoli as their nation's "coming of age." Australia has only federated fourteen years before, so this was their showing of the Brits than they could handle some shite.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:04 pm to TheFonz
Come on, no one has yet mentioned the Fall of Constantinople? Ended the dark ages, and a large chunk of western civilization was annexed by the Turks. One of the seminal events in world history.
Wikipedia reference
Wikipedia reference
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The Fall of Constantinople (Greek: ???s?? t?? ???sta?t????p??e??, Halosis tes Konstantinoupoleos; Turkish: Istanbul'un Fethi Conquest of Istanbul) was the capture of the capital of the Byzantine Empire by an invading army of the Ottoman Empire on 29 May 1453. The Ottomans were commanded by the then 21-year-old Mehmed the Conqueror, the seventh sultan of the Ottoman Empire, who defeated an army commanded by Byzantine Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos. The conquest of Constantinople followed a 53-day siege that had begun on 6 April 1453. The capture of Constantinople (and two other Byzantine splinter territories soon thereafter) marked the end of the Byzantine Empire, a continuation of the Roman Empire dating to 27 BC, an imperial state lasting for nearly 1,500 years.[25] The Ottoman conquest of Constantinople also dealt a massive blow to Christendom, as the Muslim Ottoman armies thereafter were left unchecked to advance into Europe without an adversary to their rear. After the conquest, Sultan Mehmed II transferred the capital of the Ottoman Empire from Edirne to Constantinople.
It was also a watershed moment in military history. Since ancient times cities had used ramparts and city walls to protect themselves from invaders and Constantinople's substantial fortifications had been a model followed by cities throughout the Mediterranean region and Europe. The Ottomans ultimately prevailed due to the use of gunpowder (which powered formidable cannons).[26]
The conquest of the city of Constantinople and the end of the Byzantine Empire[27] was a key event in the Late Middle Ages, which also marks, for some historians, the end of the Middle Ages.[28]
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:51 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Khe Sanh
Langdak
Hill 364
Langdak
Hill 364
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:51 pm to Jim Rockford
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Saragarhi
Came here to post this. Have an upvote.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 4:15 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Pavlov's House is probably the definitive last stand in the modern era. Amazing feat.
I agree but that doesn't fit the thread does it?
The defenders at Pavlov's house were eventually relieved by the Red army right?
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 4:17 pm to JudgeHolden
Siege of Malta (1565)
Ottoman Empire tried to invade the island of Malta, then held by the Knights Hospitaller. The Knights, with approximately 2,000 footsoldiers and 400 Maltese men, women and children, withstood the siege and repelled the invaders. This victory became one of the most celebrated events in sixteenth-century Europe. Voltaire said, "Nothing is better known than the siege of Malta," and it undoubtedly contributed to the eventual erosion of the European perception of Ottoman invincibility and marked a new phase in Spanish domination of the Mediterranean.
The siege was the climax of an escalating contest between a Christian alliance and the Islamic Ottoman Empire for control of the Mediterranean
Ottoman Empire tried to invade the island of Malta, then held by the Knights Hospitaller. The Knights, with approximately 2,000 footsoldiers and 400 Maltese men, women and children, withstood the siege and repelled the invaders. This victory became one of the most celebrated events in sixteenth-century Europe. Voltaire said, "Nothing is better known than the siege of Malta," and it undoubtedly contributed to the eventual erosion of the European perception of Ottoman invincibility and marked a new phase in Spanish domination of the Mediterranean.
The siege was the climax of an escalating contest between a Christian alliance and the Islamic Ottoman Empire for control of the Mediterranean
Posted on 7/18/17 at 5:28 pm to pensacola
Little Big Horn, Hue City.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 5:33 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Good one. Bernard Fall's Hell is a Very Small Place tells the story well.
Dien Bien Phu
Posted on 7/18/17 at 5:39 pm to JudgeHolden
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Sieges
Bunker Hill wasn't a siege.
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