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re: Drug with fish oil cuts risk of heart attack, stroke, study finds
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:34 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:34 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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You might consider looking at the entities and practices taking the lion's share of the health care dollar.
I don't mind admitting if I am wrong. Can you be more specific to educate me?
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:46 pm to Charlie Arglist
the RRR relative risk reduction may be 25% but the ARR, actual risk reduction is 3-5%. which by big pharma standards is huge, but to Drs, just meh. For every 100 patients the dr treats with this, 3-5 will not have cardiac events.
What is the mortality data? would you take this knowing your chance of heart attack would go down, but you might not live as long?
What is the mortality data? would you take this knowing your chance of heart attack would go down, but you might not live as long?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:51 pm to Charlie Arglist
Here's a start:
CDC - National Center for Health Statistics
For 2017, they give Rx drugs as 9.8%, but looking at the PDF tables, I'm not sure that includes drugs given as part of hospital care. I think I said 15% anyway, and I may have gotten that somewhere else. Anyway, the bullet points on that page are:
Download the PDF and look at Table 94. The annual growth rates have actually been moderating since 2000, reaching 45 year minima in 2015-2016.
CDC - National Center for Health Statistics
For 2017, they give Rx drugs as 9.8%, but looking at the PDF tables, I'm not sure that includes drugs given as part of hospital care. I think I said 15% anyway, and I may have gotten that somewhere else. Anyway, the bullet points on that page are:
quote:
Percent of national health expenditures for hospital care: 32.4% (2016)
Percent of national health expenditures for nursing care facilities and continuing care retirement communities: 4.9% (2016)
Percent of national health expenditures for physician and clinical services: 19.9 (2016)
Percent of national health expenditures for prescription drugs: 9.8% (2016)
Download the PDF and look at Table 94. The annual growth rates have actually been moderating since 2000, reaching 45 year minima in 2015-2016.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:54 pm to Rust Cohle
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What is the mortality data? would you take this knowing your chance of heart attack would go down, but you might not live as long?
How would it shorten lifespan?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:07 pm to genuineLSUtiger
No tuna has high levels of mercury 
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:14 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
It’s basically EPA from fish oil with an ethyl group added to it so it could be patented. The active metabolite of ethyl EPA is....plain old EPA.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:59 am to tiggerthetooth
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How would it shorten lifespan?
The comment is really about statins, they may slightly reduce cardiac events, but don’t increase mortality. So while you may not die from a heart attack, you may die from one of the increased chances of diseases from statins, diabetes, dementia, cataracts…
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 7:00 am
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:12 am to IllegalPete
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They could get the same benefits from proper nutrition and exercise for a fraction of the cost.
All of your years of medical training taught you that, right? Is all the empirical data claiming heart disease can be heriditary a myth or conspiracy?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:16 am to Spock's Eyebrow
My Dr prescribed this for me
Three month supply $600+ at CVS with group insurance.
I laughed and drove off, he put me on a cholesterol rx and a triglyceride rx which are $60.00 each for three months.
Three month supply $600+ at CVS with group insurance.
I laughed and drove off, he put me on a cholesterol rx and a triglyceride rx which are $60.00 each for three months.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:24 am to Spock's Eyebrow
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Drug with fish oil cuts risk of heart attack, stroke, study finds
Until next month when it will kill on contact
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:41 am to IllegalPete
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If only people were not so fricking lazy.
They could get the same benefits from proper nutrition and exercise for a fraction of the cost.
If only it was so simple. My father was an ultra-marathoner up until the day he had a triple bypass at 62 years old. He ran every day and ate healthier than most people. Sometimes genetics fricks you. On the plus side, his running is what saved his life because he knew something wasn't feeling right his last month of running.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:16 am to Wtodd
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Until next month when it will kill on contact
Yep.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
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costs $268 a month for the prescription.
Why not take fish oil for about $13 month?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:09 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
I eat sardines 4-5 times a week.
Don't need some high price prescription for them either.
Plus, they're deeeeeelicious.
Don't need some high price prescription for them either.
Plus, they're deeeeeelicious.
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