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re: DOJ Sues Ticketmaster/LiveNation Over Monopoly
Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:57 pm to Sheep
Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:57 pm to Sheep
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If I want to see any nationally touring artist, I'm forced to deal with Ticketmaster.
I believe that the acts themselves have the ability to choose which ticket seller they want to go through. Pearl Jam set up their own thing for one or more of their tours a while back. Are we suggesting that there are zero other ticket seller options? That's a serious question, because I get tons of different ones that pop up when I'm looking for an event....vivid seats, seat geek, etc.
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Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:57 pm to Sheep
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I tend to be of the mindset of "if it's more than you want to spend then don't go". No one is forcing you to buy those tickets and pay those fees.
If I want to go to New York City, I'm not forced to do business with Delta. There are other airlines, or I could drive or take a train.
If I want to see any nationally touring artist, I'm forced to deal with Ticketmaster.
But nobody is forced to see a concert. A concert is squarly in the corner of "discretionary spending". You can sit in silince, buy an album, watch on tv or youtube, sit outside the concert venue...
The hundreds of dollars in fees are there because... wait for it...
PEOPLE WILL PAY THE FEES.
I don't feel bad for anybody who pays $250 in fees to see Taylor Swift or Beyonce perform "country". Consider it a tax on idiocy.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:58 pm to poochie
quote:If they want to book venues, they have to deal with ticketmaster whether they like it or not. Ticketmaster is locked in with over 70% of concert venues nationwide.
If the artists are hurt by this, they’ll stop using ticket master.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:58 pm to tadman
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PEOPLE WILL PAY THE FEES.
It’s the same reason tickets to sporting events (through the team) are outrageous. The second you say no, someone else will step in and buy that ticket.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 12:59 pm to The Mick
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If they want to book venues, they have to deal with ticketmaster whether they like it or not. Ticketmaster is locked in with over 70% of concert venues nationwide.
Good job, Ticketmaster.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:00 pm to The Mick
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If they want to book venues, they have to deal with ticketmaster whether they like it or not. Ticketmaster is locked in with over 70% of concert venues nationwide.
Just found some relevant context. A little easier to see the case for the monopoly charge given this.
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Ticketmaster is really just a service to take the heat off of bands and venues for what would otherwise be seen as price gauging. Ticketmaster is "chosen" because most venues are owned and operated by Live Nation, who in turn owns Ticketmaster.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:04 pm to LegendInMyMind
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People have to eventually understand that they have all of the power in the equation. Stop buying tickets if you believe the prices (and fees) are outrageous.
You ever considered the downstream effects if everybody stopped buying concert tickets overnight, or were you too proud of your "akshually" moment to think?
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:06 pm to wadewilson
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You ever considered the downstream effects if everybody stopped buying concert tickets overnight, or were you too proud of your "akshually" moment to think?
What? What downstream effects? Some roadies are out of a job?
That’s like saying we can’t cut spending because poor government workers need a job. No, that’s not how this works. That’s not any of this works.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:06 pm to Sheep
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"If someone bought it, the price wasn't high enough."
Capitalism, brother. You have all the buying power. You make all the decisions. The power of "No" is lost on you. Meanwhile, people still willingly give money to artists who are complicit in the system that they (the people) are bitching about. It sounds like the artists don't realize their own value if people are buying tickets to see them and willingly paying a $500 markup.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:06 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Pearl Jam set up their own thing for one or more of their tours a while back.
Live Nation owns the lion's share of decently sized venues - which means any artist that wants to not find "alternative venues" is forced to deal with Live Nation / Ticketmaster.
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That's a serious question, because I get tons of different ones that pop up when I'm looking for an event....vivid seats, seat geek, etc.
Those are all secondary markets. There ARE other ticketing platforms, like AXS - but these are small fish compared to Ticketmaster.
So, unless Artist X wants to use some racetrack somewhere for their concerts instead of any major arena or stadium (and many minor ones) - they (and their fans) have to deal with Ticketmaster.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:07 pm to wadewilson
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You ever considered the downstream effects if everybody stopped buying concert tickets overnight, or were you too proud of your "akshually" moment to think?
Here's something that may shock you, I don't care.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:08 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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A little easier to see the case for the monopoly charge given this.
If I remember correctly, LiveNation originally signed acts to deals for tours. Then they leaned on venues essentially forcing them to switch to Ticketmaster if they wanted to book those acts.
Then they started buying venues. Once you own enough venues, you can essentially kill a tour if an artist isn’t willing to play ball.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:11 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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pay those fees.
These are basically high fees for nothing. Just added dollars for them to collect and take advantage of people. It's BS.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:11 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Once you own enough venues, you can essentially kill a tour if an artist isn’t willing to play ball.
It’s not your “right” to be an artist. There’s 10 more artists behind that one that will sign the dotted line.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:15 pm to TexasTiger89
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Just added dollars for them to collect and take advantage of people
Again, if people are waiting in line to be “taken advantage of” then they’re not being taken advantage of.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:18 pm to poochie
quote:Do you believe monopoly and anti-trust laws should be done away with completely?
It’s not your “right” to be an artist. There’s 10 more artists behind that one that will sign the dotted line.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:22 pm to The Mick
No, I think they have their place when it comes to essential things for the populace. We can argue about what things should be on that list. But nowhere near that list would be going to a concert.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:29 pm to tadman
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don't feel bad for anybody who pays $250 in fees to see Taylor Swift or Beyonce perform "country". Consider it a tax on idiocy.
Would you feel the same about $250 fees to catch a game at Wrigley?
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:46 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Are we suggesting that there are zero other ticket seller options?
TM has the venues locked down and cannot host bands using different ticketing agents. That PJ tour, back in '95, had shows at some really odd places...certainly not ampitheaters.
Posted on 5/23/24 at 1:47 pm to kciDAtaE
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Would you feel the same about $250 fees to catch a game at Wrigley?
Let’s change this to lsu and I’ll answer…. I’d be pissed. I’d bitch on the rant about them pricing out the little man, and I would likely not go to any games. And if people were still buying tickets and lsu could sustain that, there’s absolutely nothing that would or should change.
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