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re: Dog dental cleanings, legit or scam?

Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:53 am to
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:53 am to
I’ve owned dogs my entire adult life and we had them all my childhood. So 54 years of dog ownership and probably 20+ dogs (parents continued owning dogs) of experience and not one teeth cleaning. Fed good quality dry dog food and never had a dog with tooth issues.

If you’re feeding canned food it may be different.


My guess is it’s not life threatening but “helpful” so they recommend it.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 6:54 am to
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I’ve owned dogs

Large/medium breeds? This is a big issue with small dogs, large not as much
Posted by indytiger
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:00 am to
So one of the dogs in question is a 10 year old yorkie. I'm very hesitant about having her go under anesthesia at her age.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:02 am to
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Every time I take my dogs to the vet, they suggest dental cleanings. They aren't cheap, they have to put the dog under anesthesia, and sometimes have to pull multiple teeth.

So my question for the OT is, is this legit, or a money making racket by the vets? How often should it be done? Is it worth doing on 2 ten year old dogs?


About 2/3s of the shite vets say a dog needs is more about soothing the fee fees of the "pet parent" (god what a despicable term). Dogs don't even need teeth to survive...they can easily sustain themselves in the wild without them. Its best if they have them obviously but a dog ain't gonna give up just because he has to swallow food without chewing. I am certain cleaning their teeth is beneficial but I highly doubt it is necessary for them to be happy and live a long time. I have had dozens of pampered, spoiled rotten dogs in my life...none of them ever needed a dentist. All of them broke teeth, had missing teeth, not a one of them seemed overly concerned about it. I have a lab that is about as good a duck dog as you could ask for...I probably have close to $10K in her if my time training her was worth what I earnt at work. I paid $1500 for her as a puppy without breeding rights...has a stellar pedigree. Our vet has started in with the cleaning and she knows it happening and does not bring it up again. I have a lot of money in that dog and she means almost as much to me as a member of my family and way more than any other material possession I own...but she licks her own arse and will roll around in dead animals for fun...she is not in the least bit concerned with dental hygiene and would not doubt be very put out if I broached the subject...
Posted by White Bear
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:03 am to
Dogs don’t live long enough to require dental work.
Posted by AceHole
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:03 am to
I have a 110 lb Airedale, cleaning was a little over $500, 2/3 of the cost was the anesthesia.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:10 am to
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Small dogs are more prone to teeth issues and periodontal disease. Left untreated could cause major issues including death.



Being alive is a terminal illness, small dogs included.

All advocates agree that canine teeth cleaning without general anesthesia does nothing for the animal. They also all advocate for doing the procedure under general anesthesia because they can do a far deeper cleaning. There is also about a 100% increase in the cost. So for twice the money at least your dog can be put to sleep and have a procedure that at best is questionably necessary. Being put to sleep is far more dangerous than anything a cleaning could prevent. It is all about upselling "pet parents".
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:14 am to
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Legit.... like humans, dental health has a direct correlation to cardiac and overall health.


Human life expectancy is what, 80 years. Its what, 10, 12 in dogs? Humans also do not regularly drink water out of mudholes and toilets, most of us anyway. Humans are also wimps when it comes to pain and discomfort compared to dogs. If a dog lived 70 years and was bedridden because a tooth hurt it might be necessary, if the dog can afford it, to have some dental work. I will bet anyone alive that canine dental implants either exist or will soon...at $1000 or more a pop.


I did the google machine...yes, canine dental implants are a thing as are canine orthodontics. Folks have lost their damned minds.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 7:19 am
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:20 am to
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Being put to sleep is far more dangerous than anything a cleaning could prevent.


Its literally the exact opposite actually.

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It is all about upselling "pet parents".


What a warped view of veterinarians.
Posted by Stevo
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:24 am to
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I have a 110 lb Airedale


Wow, had no idea Airedales got that big. We have 2 Airedales. The male is 65 lbs.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:33 am to
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Human dental cleanings are a scam.


I would say this probably changes once you hit 55 to 65
Posted by PapaZulu
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:49 am to
I have an Airedale going on 9 years. I got him on these a couple years ago and his teeth and breath have gotten much better, to the point where it’s not even a concern.

Posted by PapaZulu
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:51 am to
I have an Airedale going on 9 years. I got him on these a couple years ago and his teeth and breath have gotten much better, to the point where it’s not even a concern.

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I have 2 dogs around 50 lbs each. Buy a bag every few months.
Posted by Das Jackal
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:56 am to
It's legit, I get my small dog's teeth cleaned about once every year and a half or so. But $1000 seems ridiculous, I usually pay around $400.
Posted by lsurulz1515
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:01 am to
I lost a dog, though at an old age, because he didn't wake up from a teeth cleaning. We knew the risks, being that he was 11 years old, but decided to do it anyway. One of the worst days of my life, and I won't do it again for any dog I own after about 8 years old. Its definitely a worthwhile procedure, as it prevents a lot of bad breath issues and tooth issues that can prove fatal, but I wouldn't do it again for a geriatric dog
Posted by Hangover Haven
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:16 am to
Not as much as Dog DNA is...
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:21 am to
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Being put to sleep is far more dangerous than anything a cleaning could prevent.


Its literally the exact opposite actually.




It is estimated by vets that 80% of dogs in the US have some dental disease which could be treated successfully with a cleaning performed under general anesthetics. Estimates from the same groups say that somewhere around .02% of those dogs will die if left untreated. The same studies find that 1.29% of dogs put under general anesthesia die in the US each year from anesthesia alone. If these numbers, numbers vets have reported, are true, there a dog is 1.5 times as likely to die from general anesthesia than from dental disease.

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It is all about upselling "pet parents".


What a warped view of veterinarians.


It is a warped view to say that vets are good business people who, like any other business, are in business to maximize profits?
Posted by AceHole
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:23 am to
most don’t he is a Oorang…

During the 1930s, when airedales were farmed like livestock, Capt. Walter Lingo, of LaRue, Ohio, developed the Oorang Airedale strain. The name came from a line of bench champions, headed by King Oorang 11, a dog which was said to have been the finest utility dog. King could retrieve waterfowl and upland game, tree raccoons, drive cattle and sheep, and bay mountain lions, bears, and wolves. King even fought one of the best fighting bull terriers, and killed his opponent. He also trained in Red Cross work, and served the American Expeditionary Force at the front in France.

Lingo simply was not satisfied with the average strain of Airedale, and after an incredible series of breedings, for which he brought in great Airedales from all over the world, he created the "King Oorang". At the time, Field and Stream magazine called it, "the greatest utility dog in the history of the world." The Oorang Kennel Company continued until Walter Lingo's death in 1969.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:27 am to
Our vet suggested it on an annual checkup/shots. The next year, she asked me where I took her for a dental cleaning, that her teeth and gums look fine.

I didn't take her anywhere, just started saving the pork rib bones and giving them to her, and also the blade bone when I cooked a butt. She was happy and her teeth were good.

Now there is a risk that the shards can hurt her, but she made it about 12 more years with no problem.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:31 am to
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Frequent Greenies are supposed to help once cleaning is done.


My dog treats Greenies like I treat cauliflower. One look and sniff, and then walk away.
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