re: Does anyone regret getting vaccinated?

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Of that second-round money, HHS reported 63 California hospitals received $50,000 for each eligible coronavirus patient they admitted between Jan. 1 and June 10, 2020. That's a combined total of more than $607 million.

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That is a staggering amount of money thrown out with likely very little confirmation of accuracy. Between this, PPP loans, and unemployment benefits, the amount of fraud that has occurred due to Covid is mind numbing.

I’m not saying ALL of it was fraudulently as I know great people that have received some of these funds. But, the amount of money just given away by the government makes me never want to pay a tax again.

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Isn't VAERS data self-reported? Again, I'm extremely skeptical of it in general, but I haven't dived into it, mainly because people like you keep reposting it, which makes me severely skeptical.

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If you are ""vaccinated"", why the frick are you concerned with others and whether they are vaccinated or not? Are you scared that the fake shot doesn't work or you just want everyone to be a sheep like you?

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Lol, I tell every patient I encounter to get vaccinated. Why wouldn't I tell a bunch of random strangers the same thing? I'm pretty confident that it works and I think the design of it at the molecular level is quite clever, as it uses the morphology of the virus against itself. I would rather they release all the patents and let other teams start working with the technology.

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What risks of the vaccine are not risks of the virus itself? Be specific here if you could.

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How do you know with certainty that the risks of the virus aren't actually the risks of the vaccine itself?

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I've seen enough for myself to know that the risks of the vaccines are much smaller than the sequelae of COVID itself, and I recommend the vaccine strongly for every patient I encounter.

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Anecdotal evidence is great but please feel free to elaborate.

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Well, generally, vaccinations don't have effects that occur far down the line from the original vaccination. Either they occur shortly after vaccination or they don't occur at all. Hence why the long-term data caveat is so stupid.

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One could argue that it's even more stupid to assume that the behavior of known proven vaccines would have the same exact behavior of a mRNA vaccine. Something that has never, until now, been used internally on human beings and that we have zero long-term data on. 1-2 years is not long-term.

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I'm associated with a massive medical center and there hasn't even been rumors of one vaccination injury.

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Does this actually surprise you? It doesn't me. Information like this being widely known doesn't bode well for mandates.

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Lol, I tell every patient I encounter to get vaccinated. Why wouldn't I tell a bunch of random strangers the same thing?

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I understand from your substantial medical vocabulary, and repetition of your use of the word sequelae throughout this thread, that you're relishing in your pseudo-intellectualness but only children trapped in adult bodies use Lol and expect people to take them seriously.

Why would you suggest that strangers inject themselves with experimental gene modifying mRNA when we know with certainty that a 99.7% or greater survival rate clearly exists in the first place, yet we absolutely do not know what the long-term effects of the vaccine itself will be? One could view that take as rather sociopathic. Irony considering your hamster comment.

Also, where did the common flu magically go over the last two years?

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How are we to do this with having covid? These types of statements about the vaccine can be applied to the virus as well.

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Because COVID has a distinct pathophysiology. Without a distinct pathophysiology, how are we to actually deduce what the vaccine caused?

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Think what you want, at least I am honest. The perception that you are this genuinely caring person is only in your head. The smug a-hole in you shines brightly through most of your statements on here. You won't find a single person in this world that I have had an interaction with that would say I don't care. I have actually been told by a stranger in a brief interaction that I care too much. It is obvious you cannot say the same.

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Lol. Again, I'm right in terms of the science, and am certainly wrong in terms of the messaging. I straight up don't know how to convince people and I've even resorted to begging patients to take care of themselves. No one seems to care about immunology unfortunately.

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Effective, sure. Everything is effective at something, good or bad. What do we achieve if everyone is vaccinated against covid?

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Preventing deaths? Why else would we try it?

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Here's that smug a-hole not hiding anymore. Mr. Know it all because he's what, a doctor? Yet outside of the medical field, almost certainly an idiot like 99% of medical doctors. Lose your ego and you'd be better for it.

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Nah, I went into the field older and thus have been fortunate to do a lot of random shite. I know what I don't know, thankfully.

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They certainly dwarf in numbers compared to the anti-vax sheep.

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You don't know the definition of sheep, but you don't know a lot of shite

My colleague at work, our CFO, got the booster on Monday. He was laid up all day with full body ache but came to the office today. I saw him in the hall stretching his arm around in a circle and jokingly asked if he was about to step on the mound. That’s when he told me he got the booster yesterday and was aching all over and wasn’t t feeling right and was having a weird heart cadence. He left to go home to rest about 30 minutes later. This was about 11am. Hopefully, he is okay and will be good by tomorrow.

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How are we to do this with having covid? These types of statements about the vaccine can be applied to the virus as well.


Because COVID has a distinct pathophysiology. Without a distinct pathophysiology, how are we to actually deduce what the vaccine caused?

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This is over my head. Explain this to me like I am 5. Covid, a virus, supposedly not man made, has a district pathophysiology. A vaccine, man made, doesn't? You definitely lack in communication skills, and that's intended to be positive criticism. Think about what you said, and my answer. Seriously, explain that better because it doesn't make sense how you stated it.

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No one seems to care about immunology unfortunately.

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This is again with that communication thing. I think what you lack in communication skills is that you think you need to convince people to do something. If you have to convince people to do something, then maybe it's not worth it. You're in medicine, not in sales right? Something people need (food, water, etc) sells itself, just present the facts and data for it. A grocery store puts out ads only to get you to go to their store, they aren't trying to convince you to buy food. Why should anyone care about immunology? Maybe start with a brief statement on what is immunology? I don't honestly know, but I have a good idea based on the things you say. However, you haven't even convinced me to enough to bother looking it up. Don't give us your opinion and tell us what to do, give us the information that leads us to what you believe in. Why do you believe in your stance? You didn't get there because someone told you to did you? (Rhetorical) No, you came to that conclusion on your own based on information provided. Now provide it.

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Effective, sure. Everything is effective at something, good or bad. What do we achieve if everyone is vaccinated against covid?


Preventing deaths? Why else would we try it?

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You provided the answer I expected, the generic bullshite answer. Try it? Sounds uncertain. Why don't we also try some people not getting vaccinated and see where that leads? Seems to working great for some... As good or better than the vaccine is.

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Nah, I went into the field older and thus have been fortunate to do a lot of random shite. I know what I don't know, thankfully.

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Good for you, seriously. This is rare in most people. As a kid, I thought all grown men essentially knew how to build a house, do basic plumbing, fix shite, etc. Maybe that was true to an extent in past times. As an adult, I never cease to be amazed at how limited so many people's abilities actually are.

I know what I don't know as well and I know how to learn it if I need to, or make the decision to have someone else do it. I don't know how to do any surgeries, many medical procedures/examinations, etc...but I don't blindly follow a doctor's recommendations, I learn a lot about it. To the point...as I have been saying... don't just tell, teach, and you'll find that you convince more people to follow what you recommend. (Provided it is genuinely a good recommendation)

I regret getting my first shot the other day. I was pretty much forced to being in the medical field. Wish I would have waited for this lawsuit to kick in. Couldn’t afford to take that risk being I am the bread winner in my household

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This is over my head. Explain this to me like I am 5. Covid, a virus, supposedly not man made, has a district pathophysiology. A vaccine, man made, doesn't? You definitely lack in communication skills, and that's intended to be positive criticism. Think about what you said, and my answer. Seriously, explain that better because it doesn't make sense how you stated it.

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In order to link vaccines to later illness, we need to know how the illness develops. For example, we know that COVID targets ACE2 receptors. Vaccine associated injuries would have to be linked to a disease process which could have no other explanation. The time scale makes the long-term caveat problematic, unless the disease process is so specific to something that could only be in the vaccine. Generally, even delayed immunologic reactions to vaccines occur within weeks rather than years.

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You're in medicine, not in sales right? Something people need (food, water, etc) sells itself, just present the facts and data for it

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Presentation of facts and details isn't my problem, my post history is littered with random arse details, but also communication isn't where I'm getting training. That is a skill unto itself, and while doctors can develop nice little canned speeches, generally, our communication skills are at suboptimal level. There's a strong argument that the communication aspect of medicine shouldn't even be in the purview of medical professionals unless we start taking communication seriously. Otherwise, there is a language unto itself reserved for the scientific fields that rewards you for using scientific language all the time.