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re: Does anyone know that crime in America is reducing?

Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:17 am to
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8719 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:17 am to
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Misinformation in my post? I asked a question. I didn't even pretend to provide information.


Genuinely - my bad, I misread it.

I sincerely dislike when people misread and misconstrue statistics, and I jumped on my mis-read.

I don't think there is any doubt at all right now that violent crime is rocketing up in the U.S. There are a bunch of reasons, but the statistical fact is pretty much unassailable.

ETA: I was actually referring to the OP when I made the original statement, not you. He/she was the one who asserted that crime in America is reducing.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 2:20 am
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38566 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:23 am to
cool. I'm a fan of your posts and I was genuinely perplexed by your response.
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:25 am to
No. Crime increasing. You more likely to be murdered because you are alive.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38566 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 2:29 am to
Would you people please start responding directly to the post you're referring to. It's easy. You're like folks that refuse to use their blinker.
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 2:31 am
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15979 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 5:43 am to
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Tried and true tactic to manipulate simpletons


Appealing to the masses. Mass Politics
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 5:49 am to
Reducing what?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19949 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:01 am to
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Violent crime has rocketed up in the US in 2015 and 2016. My dear home city (Chicago) has seen a 70% increase in murders since 2014 after more than two decades of decreases, and we aren't too far out the norm.

So violent crime in the US has been rocketing back up the last 18 months or so. Not sure what the solution is, but it isn't the misinformation in your post.


Chicago is not the rest of the country. Nor is any large city. FBI releases the Uniform Crime Report every year that covers 18,000 localities. 2014 is the latest full report.
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:07 am to
You would think with the internet we would be crime free.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
54210 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:11 am to
Is reducing what? Your sentence structure is a crime.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18141 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:11 am to
Crime rates are political and are very much manipulated.

Murder rates have fallen for decades because emergency medicine has improved to the point where they save many who would have died 20 years ago. That murder becomes an aggravated battery or less in today's political climate.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184515 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:40 am to
Gun deaths are down but mass shootings are up


quote:

Premeditated mass shootings in public places are happening more often, some researchers say, plunging towns and cities into grief and riveting the attention of a horrified nation. In general, though, fewer Americans are dying as a result of gun violence — a shift that began about two decades ago.


All violent crime has been declining since the 70's

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Today, the national crime rate is about half of what it was at its height in 1991. Violent crime has fallen by 51 percent since 1991, and property crime by 43 percent. In 2013 the violent crime rate was the lowest since 1970. And this holds true for unreported crimes as well. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1993 the rate of violent crime has declined from 79.8 to 23.2 victimizations per 1,000 people


LINK

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Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184515 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:45 am to
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That murder becomes an aggravated battery or less in today's political climate.




Good theory but ALL violent crimes have declined including aggravated battery.

No doubt that medical procedure helped actual murder rates, but I doubt it's to the extent you are making it out to be. There is a reduction in murders overall and life-saving procedures alone isn't responsible changing the numbers.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184515 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:55 am to
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Chicago?


3rd world country

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Nola?


Has a high crime and murder rate for a city it's size but the murder and crime rates have dropped since their peaks which was during the rebuilding phase.

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LA?


quote:

2015 was the first time crime rates year over year didn't decrease in over a decade


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New York?


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Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s and, as of 2015, is lower than the national average.In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963. Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city. According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th overall safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th safest in personal safety.


Besides, picking a few cities out that have issues tends to neglect the fact that overall crime is still declining in America.

Everyone knows certain areas in and around St Louis, Chicago, Detroit, etc are all shitholes that might as well be in the middle of Afghanistan. Those areas also have some of the highest welfare and unemployment rates per capita in the USA.
Posted by Sebastian
Member since Jun 2015
3756 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:18 am to
Just like Clinton saying racism and bullying will increase with Trump as the president. Idiotic and pandering to SJW's and liberals.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61530 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:26 am to
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quote: Chicago? 3rd world country quote: Nola? Has a high crime and murder rate for a city it's size but the murder and crime rates have dropped since their peaks which was during the rebuilding phase.
Your description of Chicago fits New Orleans much better, and vice versa
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184515 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Your description of Chicago fits New Orleans much better, and vice versa


Not if you google and read about crime rates in each city. What I posted is accurate.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:39 am to
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but mass shootings are up

this is a tough cookie to crack b/c they keep changing what "mass murders" are in order to make that stat go up

i've seen all kinds of chrats on this and before sandy hook, it was the same as all other violent crime (peaked in the early/mid 90s then fell drastically with a few bumps up). after sandy hook they started using different definitions to find a behavior pattern they could define that was shooting up. i've also seen charts that rotate like the sin graph
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61530 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:44 am to
New Orleans had a higher violent crime rate and almost double the murder rate of Chicago in 2014. They also have things like roads in Chicago.

Eta actually more than double
This post was edited on 6/11/16 at 9:45 am
Posted by PygmalionEffect
Member since Jul 2012
4834 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:45 am to
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kywildcatfanone

quote:

Chicago? Nola? LA? New York?


Yeah, they're in America
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184515 posts
Posted on 6/11/16 at 9:45 am to
Yea I think that number also gets skewed because even if it's domestic, as long as more than one person is shot, it's classified as a mass shooting.

I guess it depends on how you want to define it but a mass shooting to me is what happened in Aurora. A batshit crazy person shoots random innocent people for no reason.
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