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re: Doctors just up and quitting

Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:07 pm to
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
8448 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:07 pm to
That makes no sense.

What’s the point of a boutique service if you don’t bypass insurance?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
13813 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:18 am to
Exactly

I was told the 2500/yr (it’s different for different offices) is the average cost the dr has to pay to make up for insurance companies and patient's stiffing them in billing.
Between you and me I also think its a way to control the types of patients they see as well. I.e. force away Medicare and Medicaid patients.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2245 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 9:27 am to
Clearly a Kamala voter


Many have no clue on foreign healthcare and/or socialized medicine
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What did Trump do to improve health care during his first run?
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
8448 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 9:36 am to
I can see that. Craziness.
Posted by rockford177
Virginia
Member since Feb 2008
634 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 9:54 am to
Don’t just ask what Trump did. It’s how Obamacare started all of this. It conglomerated hospitals and doctors offices. It made rates go up 300% in some cases. We were told by the savior herself Nancy Pelosi that insurance costs would be spread out over all the new healthy young people coming into the market. I paid $45 a month for health insurance in 1999. I now pay $1600 a month. Make sense?
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4336 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 10:07 am to
Y'all need to read closer. There was more to it than "he can't feed his family"
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14517 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 10:13 am to
quote:

You implied doctors are in the AMA

Maybe 20% are


I seem to remember an article on Doctor Grumpy's blog that implied that the AMA want's $400 annualy to be member that has near zero benefits other than offering cheap financing other than a new S class.
I can't imagine an OT or MD financing anything unless zero interest.
Posted by doublecutter
Member since Oct 2003
6875 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 10:16 am to
I have a life long friend who is a OBGYN. He retired at 62 and said he got tired of all the administrative BS. He said if he could turn back the clock 35 years ago when he first started practicing, he would have never retired.

He was always a DIYer around his house. He enjoyed it. He now works part time at a neighborhood hardware store because he likes interacting with the people who come in.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3723 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 10:56 am to
quote:

The docs themselves are to blame for a big part of this, as their cartel (AMA) actively prevents people from becoming doctors, thus driving up the price


LCME would be the “cartel” you are looking for. The AMA has no control over accreditation of seats/schools.
Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3740 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:21 am to
Fentanyl overdoses drag this down as well as poor lifestyle choices that doctors have no control over.
Posted by FlyFishinTiger
Fayetteville,AR
Member since Mar 2021
933 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:55 am to
AMA? LMAO.
Posted by MrFahrenheitDontLie
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
269 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:59 am to
I see a lot of medical people complaining about the state of medicine and such. The reality is 99% of us didn't go to medical school and become doctors so it is impossible for us to put in yalls shoes. I do know however that yall demand to live an upper class lifestyle so yeah yall are probably paying on a lot of credit.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2245 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:05 pm to
Don’t just ask what Trump did. It’s how Obamacare started all of this. It conglomerated hospitals and doctors offices. It made rates go up 300% in some cases. We were told by the savior herself Nancy Pelosi that insurance costs would be spread out over all the new healthy young people coming into the market. I paid $45 a month for health insurance in 1999. I now pay $1600 a month. Make sense?
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Nope.You are badly mistaken. Obamacare was the only attempt by any politicians to try and fix our healthcare issues in this country. It has issues like any large scale program. The politicians before and sense have ignored our health care system. Can you name another time when any tried to make needed changes? Your comment about comparing prices to 1999 is ridiculous. You responded without answering my question. Either answer it or go away.
Posted by MrFahrenheitDontLie
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
269 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:22 pm to
I mean "Obama-care" & free market Healthcare both will have it's drawbacks. Supplementing insurance payments from healthy people to cover the costs of others seems to be the natural business model of any type of insurance.. the issues obviously lie in the costs of goods and services at the point of charge. Which when involving insurance companies typically is as high as possible. This can be charging a premium for the price of the drug itself, requiring a premium for Labor "high payed medical salaries, which is of course considered revenue", and lastly the cost of maintaining a medical facility in pristine condition (monitoring exact temperature, extreme cleanliness, & high dollar testing equipment all backed by emergency power generator. All this costs and charges are lot of money. Which is the basis of how a microeconomy can develop around a set industry.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23795 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

Anesthesia has become replaced by CRNAs and AA's or whatever in most states,

I think it was in NY that CRNAs were suing to get paid the same as anesthesias
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23795 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

The docs themselves are to blame for a big part of this, as their cartel (AMA) actively prevents people from becoming doctors, thus driving up the price.

Others have corrected you regarding the other aspects but one of the issues with the 'doctor shortage' is actually a lack of Drs in rural areas. Lots of new Docs have zero interest in practicing in rural areas or basically anywhere that's not in or near a large urban area.
Posted by EglMD27
Member since Sep 2022
2 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:39 pm to
Direct Primary Care is a version of concierge that doesn't participate in insurance. Get a healthshare plan like Zion and find a DPC practice. Most practices dispense medication in clinic and have negotiated rates for labs and imaging. LINK /
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
45898 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:59 pm to
Tell them to open a no insurance clinic or be private physicians. One serves the poor one the rich. Born due incredibly well, as I have buddies in both groups.

The no insurance guys have a place charge 50-100 per visit and have a staff on one to two max. The drug companies load them down with so much freebies they can dx people and give them drugs too. They net 250 or so a year but they all love it. See 20-30 people most days.

The private physician model is where you get 50-100 people to pay you 5-9k a year to be a private doctor with house calls etc. You can work out of your house and really need zero or just part time staff if any.

There was huge movement to this about 10 years ago

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78809 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:03 pm to
They are doctors of medicine, not finding the root issue and fixing it. Just there to make pharma money.

Think how many didnt know shite about covid other than, take the vaccine.


This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 1:04 pm
Posted by USAFTiger42
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
3403 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:12 pm to
But the 20% that are can do a lot of damage to patients and don't think for one second there's some spinoff version that has another 20%. Gotta use logic especially when comparing our system to other countries in spending the most and living the least as long.
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