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re: Do you think the US was "evil" to drop bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:58 am to bbvdd
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:58 am to bbvdd
The point you could take from that is that war is inherently evil, and the destructive power of atomic bombs is inherently evil. It isn't necessarily that he is blaming one side at all, just showing the folly of man. It could have been necessary, and the above would still stand up. I mean, does anyone think that killing women, children, and civilians at large isn't evil even if it was necessary?
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:00 pm to The Sad Banana
There's an idiot on reddit trying desperately to argue with everyone that US committed war crimes by dropping the bombs and would've been far better off just invading. Because somehow that would've resulted in far less damage. He's also criticizing Obama which is weird.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:01 pm to UHTiger
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I get it - you hate the guy but stop twisting the story to fit your narrative
This is all that it comes down to. Bias. I'm not a huge fan of the guy either, but I don't have to twist everything he says into a dishonest interpretation to come to that conclusion.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its impossible to judge the past based on values of today.
There are some values that have been staples over time, such as protecting your family and your homeland and getting justice for those wrongly killed. Also, smacking down a bully who started shite unprovoked.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:02 pm to dcrews
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Maybe it's just semantics, but the motive behind doing something that is otherwise considered immoral, makes all the difference to me.
The killing of innocent children is always evil. It may be justified or necessary, but it is always evil.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:02 pm to PrivatePublic
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The only thing to know here is that Japan would have somehow won had that clown been in office at the time.
Not just "won" but embarrassed us beause Obama would have spent his time talking about "red lines" right up to the point where the Axis powers came into DC and removed him from the Oval Office. Afterward he would say something moronic like "I still think the Munich Agreement was the right idea".
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:03 pm to Peazey
If you have to contort to interpret what he meant, you probably dont believe it deep inside.
The president doesnt speak for everyone here
The president doesnt speak for everyone here
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:03 pm to bbvdd
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Obama apparently thinks the US is evil for doing so. He didn't apologize for it but for him to say that it was "evil" may just be worse.
Will Obama chastise the troops who came home, who would have otherwise been dead, if we didn't drop those bombs and they had to invade Japan instead?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:18 pm to bbvdd
Repeat the evil? How about the Rape of fricking Nanking, which killed more people than the nukes combined?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:19 pm to tke857
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im sure they do. unless it was one of those underground detonations
It was an air burst device.
That is a picture of the mushroom cloud taken from 100 miles away.
This is supposed to be footage of the blast
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:20 pm to NOFOX
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The killing of innocent children is always evil. It may be justified or necessary, but it is always evil.
I disagree. Evil has zero good/pure intentions behind it.
It's like calling someone in Vietnam who killed a kid with a bomb strapped to them, evil for killing the kid.
The choice was made for those Japanese civilians (including children) when their empire refused surrender. There were no pure motives or outcomes from that decision.
The decision Truman made had pure motives, not for evil or murder, but to ensure that casualties were kept as minimal as possible CONSIDERING THE DECISION OF THE JAPANESE EMPIRE to refuse surrender.
But again, I think we are just arguing semantics at this point.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:22 pm to bbvdd
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“Let all the souls here rest in peace, for Japan shall not repeat the evil,”
Fixed it for him.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:23 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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Justified =/= evil. It was justified IMHO, but to kill that many civilians is about as evil as it gets.
If any country in history deserved to have their citizen's eyeballs melted out of their sockets, then it's Japan. Unspeakably evil atrocities were committed by the average Japanese guy during the war.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:23 pm to OMLandshark
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Repeat the evil? How about the Rape of fricking Nanking, which killed more people than the nukes combined?
He didn't say that. Go read or watch the speech.
The words that have you all in a tizzy are carved into the memorial. You are being lied to.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:25 pm to Darth_Vader
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Fixed it for him.
Considering those words are carved into the memorial in Hiroshima, Japan, that is a fair translation.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:26 pm to NOFOX
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The killing of innocent children is always evil. It may be justified or necessary, but it is always evil.
this
war itself is evil
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:27 pm to bbvdd
Don't want bombs dropped? Don't ambush pearl harbor. I don't know how a sitting president could ever do what he did in hiroshima.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:28 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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If you don't think it was evil, I don't know what to tell you.
Justified =/= evil. It was justified IMHO, but to kill that many civilians is about as evil as it gets.
So should Obama go to every city we bombed during WWII and apologize?
And while he's busy doing that should the leaders of Germany and Japan go to all the cities they leveled and issue apologies? Then there's the British, should they apologize for what Bomber Command did during WWII? Guess Putin better start a road trip through Eastern Europe, stopping at every town he passes to say he's sorry.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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So should Obama go to every city we bombed during WWII and apologize?
He didn't apologize and didn't say the line going around the right wing echo chamber (the one carved into the memorial).
Do you guys just not want to know the truth?
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