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do you think it's possible to win a war without putting boots on the ground
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:44 pm
I here a lot of people say things like we should just cape bomb where we think Isis is or we can take out whoever we want with drones now but haven't we already tried winning a eat basically with bombing in Vietnam? I mean we had troops but we never took the ground we'd just kill them then leave and go back to base and they'd retake the ground. Wouldn't the same thing happen in the middle east. I feel like you at least need people to come in for mop up duty. Your thoughts
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Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:45 pm to cincyykid
They always head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:46 pm to cincyykid
Well in nam. Had we dropped an a bomb on Hanoi. I say they give up.
To be right. Even boots on the ground doesn't constitute victory. The 52000 men that valiantly gave their lives. All the troops on the ground if we had done sweeps from south to north. Still can't win. You have to win the heart of the people. Vc one minute. Farmer the next. You can't just exterminate everyone.
To be right. Even boots on the ground doesn't constitute victory. The 52000 men that valiantly gave their lives. All the troops on the ground if we had done sweeps from south to north. Still can't win. You have to win the heart of the people. Vc one minute. Farmer the next. You can't just exterminate everyone.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:48 pm to cincyykid
No
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:50 pm to cincyykid
Depends what the objective is, I think.
Either way, "just bombing ISIS" isn't actually going to solve anything. There are totally fricked up regional structural issues here.
Either way, "just bombing ISIS" isn't actually going to solve anything. There are totally fricked up regional structural issues here.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:51 pm to cincyykid
Hoverboards
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:51 pm to tigersownall
And then I say the Russians would have probably nuked all of Europe after that
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:52 pm to Peazey
An area can be annihilated with nukes but short of that I don't believe victory can be won without soldiers.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:55 pm to cincyykid
Several tons of pot is the only answer to this mayhem.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:55 pm to cincyykid
Yes. A thumb war could be won without boots on the ground.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:56 pm to cincyykid
Japan surrendered before troops set foot on the mainland.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:59 pm to cincyykid
ISIS is losing badly already. The ideology is the problem. The people carrying out attacks around the globe aren't directly linked to Islamic military groups but pledge allegiance to them.
Wars can be won without soldiers fighting in them. However, the mass amounts of innocent lives that would be lost would be staggering. The nature of warfare has changed to such a degree that no war can be fought with two armies and there not be massive civilian casualties.
Wars can be won without soldiers fighting in them. However, the mass amounts of innocent lives that would be lost would be staggering. The nature of warfare has changed to such a degree that no war can be fought with two armies and there not be massive civilian casualties.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 6:59 pm to cincyykid
Bombs on the ground... see Japan
But yes, there needs to be a prolonged physical presence of force to actually claim an area
This actually happened during the crusades... Christians would capture an area, drive everybody out, occupy area for a few years and just leave... the people driven out would bust reoccupy that land again, so Christians would have to go back and fight again... hince multiple crusades
But yes, there needs to be a prolonged physical presence of force to actually claim an area
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Wouldn't the same thing happen in the middle east.
This actually happened during the crusades... Christians would capture an area, drive everybody out, occupy area for a few years and just leave... the people driven out would bust reoccupy that land again, so Christians would have to go back and fight again... hince multiple crusades
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:02 pm to cincyykid
Boots on the ground. Boots on the ground. Lookin' like a fool with boots on the ground.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:02 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:plenty of boots were used before that
Japan surrendered before troops set foot on the mainland.
and the answer if gaining and securing ground is war you need soldiers to accomplish that
but bombs and droids can keep the other guy from winning
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:03 pm to cincyykid
Depends on what you consider victory. Have you seen war games? The only way to win, is not to play.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:03 pm to TigerintheNO
Is there a consensus on what Japan would have done if we dropped the bombs right after Pearl Harbor?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:13 pm to cincyykid
without boots on the ground they can run and hide
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:18 pm to OysterPoBoy
Uh, we didn't have the bomb then
Or the ability to deliver it that far
Or the ability to deliver it that far
Posted on 8/4/16 at 7:19 pm to cincyykid
Only against a real country that cares about their existence. You could bomb them into submission, but against the people that we fight today? Hell no.
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