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re: Do you think Great Apes could eventually evolve enough to have their own Stone Age?
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:29 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:29 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
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Do you think Great Apes or even some Old World Monkeys will ever evolve enough to be able to fashion advanced stone tipped spears, nets or possibly even the bow and arrow?
No. Because that’s not how this works.
Evolution isn’t the incremental advancement of anything. So outside of what has already happened with the speciation events prior to Homo sapiens, it is unlikely to happen again.
Why?
Because there is no unused niche to allow for the increased caloric load of a bigger, sapient brain to be leveraged as an advantage. We took it all.
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:36 am to imjustafatkid
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South Park clip that perfectly highlighted how stupid evolutionists are
It was literally a caricature of how creationists view evolution. Not mocking a legit presentation of it.
The teacher didn’t want to teach evolution and resented being forced to do it.
There are plenty of mocking of snobby atheism in the evolution/creation debate in this episode……but this scene wasn’t one. They mostly happened after Garrison was “converted”
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:36 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
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I should have used "advance" instead "evolve". I should have put a disclaimer in the original OP
In that context, no. That would require the evolution of a higher brain/thought capacity.
The answer to the original question is still yes or maybe. Humans should evolve into something else or wipe themselves out. Once that happens, it opens the door for other species to evolve into the niche we have now. Since thumbs are very important, apes already have a leg up on everything else.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:36 am to Howyouluhdat
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The Dead Sea Scrolls say otherwise
Written by humans who would be scared of and mesmerized by a striker match.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:37 am to Volvagia
Good point. We are also always encroaching on their territory making it harder for them to spread out and advance.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:38 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
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I should have used "advance" instead "evolve". I should have put a disclaimer in the original OP.
I derailed my own thread inadvertently.
You definitely should have. Evolution does not necessarily lead to advancement. Natural selection drives an organism to survive and reproduce. If dumbing down an organism or removing some of it's physical complexity allows it a better chance of survival, divergence will likely manifest towards that path.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:55 am to UtahCajun
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Humans should evolve into something else or wipe themselves out. Once that happens, it opens the door for other species to evolve into the niche we have now. Since thumbs are very important, apes already have a leg up on everything else.
Chimpanzees could certainly evolve in ways similar to humans over time if humans were not already in their way.
In my lifetime, every scientific theory which attempted to demarcate a clear distinction of kind instead of a simple difference of degree between humans and chimpanzees has been debunked.
When I studied linguistics in college, many pointed to grammar -- the ability to rearrange idioms and substitute words to describe new experiences -- as that dividing line.
Just recently, new research has convincing examples of chimpanzees in wild using grammar to build new phrases.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:02 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
What's your mom's favorite monkey?
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Macaque
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:06 am to wm72
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Chimpanzees could certainly evolve in ways similar to humans over time if humans were not already in their way.
In my lifetime, every scientific theory which attempted to demarcate a clear distinction of kind instead of a simple difference of degree between humans and chimpanzees has been debunked.
When I studied linguistics in college, many pointed to grammar -- the ability to rearrange idioms and substitute words to describe new experiences -- as that dividing line.
Just recently, new research has convincing examples of chimpanzees in wild using grammar to build new phrases.
Your mistake is comparing chimps to humans.
Modern humans are remarkable similar to the first humans. The intelligence was always there. We learn from trial and error.
Chimps will never be any more similar to humans than they are right now.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:39 am to jcaz
Well apparently you don’t know much about the Bible then. Over 300 prophetic happenings have been fulfilled already and you say there is no proof?
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:58 am to yakster
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Over 300 prophetic happenings have been fulfilled already
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:08 pm to FutureMikeVIII
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Considering the fact that we are great apes, I’m gonna go with yes.
I’d argue that if they evolve enough to a true Stone Age, we would consider them evolving to a new species and would no longer be called Apes. So I’m gonna go with no
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:16 pm to kciDAtaE
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I’d argue that if they evolve enough to a true Stone Age, we would consider them evolving to a new species and would no longer be called Apes. So I’m gonna go with no
They’d be a new species for sure, but great apes are the family. Doubtful that they’d evolve enough to diverge from that.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:18 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
Monkeys at a keyboard and Shakespeare enough time thing.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:18 pm to yakster
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Well apparently you don’t know much about the Bible then. Over 300 prophetic happenings have been fulfilled already and you say there is no proof
So what you are saying is
The Bible = Q posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:26 pm to Dirk Dawgler
I always forget I’m on a boomer aged south Eastern college football message board until I get in these threads and read some of your comprehension levels of science
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How so? Genuinely curious what you mean by this.
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The Scrolls include the oldest known manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible, dating from ~250 BCE to 70 CE.
• Comparison to later Masoretic texts (from ~1000 CE) shows the Bible was transmitted with remarkable accuracy, especially for books like Isaiah, confirming the stability of the biblical text over a thousand years.
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Several scrolls reference one or two messianic figures—a priestly and/or kingly messiah. • This helps scholars understand the Jewish context of messianic hope, which shaped early Christian views.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls do not rewrite the Bible but confirm its reliability, illuminate Jewish religious life before and during Jesus’ time, and offer context for early Christianity and the formation of the Bible.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:37 pm to Howyouluhdat
That’s great, but none of that necessarily confirms he accuracy or veracity of things in the Bible.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:39 pm to imjustafatkid
I'm absolutely shocked that you of all people look at a clip meant to parody creationism and believe it to be a terrific example of why creationism is real
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:41 pm to Donkus
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Written by humans who would be scared of and mesmerized by a striker match.
Umm ok, what does that have to do with what they experienced when it was written. The reliability of the bible even today is remarkable
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 12:42 pm
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