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re: Do you think Great Apes could eventually evolve enough to have their own Stone Age?

Posted on 6/24/25 at 10:36 am to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 10:36 am to
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Because you are trying to argue that it's more mind boggling that what we see in the mirror today came from a single cell 3.5 million years ago vs something that is based in fact which is what you quoted from me.


That was me not Cfrobel and I wasnt arguing one was more mind boggling than the other. I was comparing them. There is much we dont know about the origins or life on earth and how our universe began but the scientific process that has lead to the current theories are the same. Science is offering us its best guess at both. These are both extremely complex questions and the established facts that we have that lend credibility to certain theories only brings us so far back in time. But just because we dont have the answers yet doesn't mean we should dismiss the search and just throw our hands up..point to the Bible and say the answer is there dont bother looking further.
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 10:38 am
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 10:46 am to
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Infinite space is though as we know the universe appears (from measurements) flat and not curved which would be creating a loop. So we know from it being flat that it's most likely infinite which is hard to wrap your mind around


You say that like its been proven. It has not. And there is currently more evidence for the time frame of the emergence of life on earth and our over all understanding for the origins of life on earth than there is origin, fate or current mapping of the universe.
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 10:57 am to
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You say that like its been proven



Like what's been proven? That the universe is flat?
Posted by Cfrobel
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 11:15 am to
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Like what's been proven? That the universe is flat?


Are you confusing the observable universe with the entire universe?
Posted by Harald Ekernson
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 11:32 am to
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Most of the gospel writers wrote differently than Paul. Only one off the top of my head you could say was copied possibly.

You don’t know what you don’t know, obviously. It’s ok. If you are happy not knowing anything about this subject matter, more power to you I guess.
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 11:35 am to
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Are you confusing the observable universe with the entire universe?



No sir
Posted by Harald Ekernson
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:14 pm to
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Mark was Peter's interpreter

How do we know that? And how do we know Mark wrote the story that we call “the gospel according to Mark” understanding that the words written in the gospel don’t state who wrote it, and it’s written in the third person voice.

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which was written before Paul's influence became well known in Christian theology. It is well known that Mark and Paul operated independently.

Paul wrote in the 40’s through 60’s most experts agree. Those same experts - critical textual scholars and historians - have shown conclusively that the four canonical gospels were dependent on Paul and written after 70 AD and maybe as late as the 140s-150s. And they also have shown that Matthew and Luke are redacted versions of Mark - which is why they earned the name “synoptic gospels”.

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John has strong theology in his writings similar to Paul but most scholars believe it was written independently of him

That’s the opposite of what experts have shown. Do you have any sources who are not from apologists?

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The gospel writers focused more on Jesus life and teachings where as Pauls writings were more focused on Jesus' death and ressurection.

Most experts would argue that Paul didn’t talk about Jesus’ life on earth because those stories hadn’t yet been invented.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:23 pm to
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Like what's been proven? That the universe is flat?


Yes. and that is the observable universe. Also the observable universe appears flat, its topology is still a mystery. It could be connected like Euclidean space or multiply connected, like a donut shape
Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:36 pm to
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Sure. When we start mixing our DNA with theirs to make super humans.

Soviets already tried it by recruiting some African women and artificially inseminating them with Chimpanzee sperm but the experiment didn’t produce any hybrid offspring.

I’m surprised the modern Chinese haven’t tried just mixing some genes like they did with the coronaviruses in Wuhan. They’ve already made “humanized” mice, why not start with Chimps and increase the amount of human genes they get - hell the chromosomes already match between humans and chimps so it wouldn’t be hard technically and they don’t have to deal with the ethical hurdles since they are godless heathens.
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:42 pm to
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How do we know that?


Because Papias quoted Eusebius somewhere around AD300 saying exactly that. The gospel of Mark is based on Peters eyewitness testimony, which was in turn written down by Mark. Irenaus around AD150 or so also confirmed this. This isn't a secret. Early Christianity Fathers confirmed this as well. 1 Peter 5:13 shows how close the two were.

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critical textual scholars and historians - have shown conclusively that the four canonical gospels were dependent on Paul and written after 70 AD and maybe as late as the 140s-150s



This is just incorrect. Mark was in the 60-70's with John being written last in 90-100. Not one thing i have researched shows any scholars saying they were dependent upon Paul's letters.


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That’s the opposite of what experts have shown. Do you have any sources who are not from apologists?



Raymond E Brown, The Gospel according to John specifically states
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There is almost no use of Pauline vocabulary. For example: Justification, central to Paul is absent from John


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Most experts would argue that Paul didn’t talk about Jesus’ life on earth because those stories hadn’t yet been invented.


You're not understanding it apparently. He wrote about Jesus before the gospels were written but after Jesus death and resurrection.

These books ring a bell

Galatians 4:4
Romans 1:3
1 Corinthians 7:10
1 Corinthians 15:3-8

Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:58 pm to
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Do you even denisovan? They def got stuck and are now extinct. So did homo erectus

Its inconceivable that an extinction event took several lines of humanoids out, but not sapiens. The slowness of evolution meant that early sapiens were slightly different from their ancestors. Slightly. Not enough to where an extinction event would allow them to survive solely. Its stupid to propose that
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We had a competitive advantage and persisted while they dwindled and eventually couldn't reproduce. .

This is even more stupid. The sapien birth was the one off. It evolved into a small, new species. The other humanoids were still being born at a massive rate in comparison

Especially in parts of the globe where sapiens werent evolving at all.

Humans war. Its what they do. Sapiens would be more at risk to go extinct after 900,000 years of other humanoids marking their territories. Remember, there is only a slight difference between species. And Sapiens were far outnumbered. If evolution actually did occur
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:19 pm to
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Yes. and that is the observable universe. Also the observable universe appears flat, its topology is still a mystery. It could be connected like Euclidean space or multiply connected, like a donut shape



I guess you could say that but what we can observe by Satellites is down to like .03 margin of error that it's flat.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:21 pm to
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And Sapiens were far outnumbered.


Were they?
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 3:11 pm to
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Its inconceivable that an extinction event took several lines of humanoids out, but not sapiens.


You’re just making shite up. We get it, you don’t understand evolution.

Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 3:59 pm to
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Because Papias quoted Eusebius somewhere around AD300 saying exactly that.

Rather than write in the third person, couldn’t the author have just signed his name and written in the first person point of view? Sure would have cleared things up.

You telling me because Papias says so isn’t at all compelling to me. Papias also says the gospel of Matthew was a sayings gospel (sayings of Jesus, not a narrative) and he says that gospel was written in Aramaic, but we know *our* gospel of Matthew was written in Greek (and copied word for word in Greek from Mark in many cases). Why should I believe that what Papias called Mark is out Mark? It might well be true, but there’s not yet been any evidence to convince me either way though I lean towards it not being true because of the reasons I mentioned.

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The gospel of Mark is based on Peters eyewitness testimony

The gospel of Mark is based on Paul’s epistles in the format of Homer’s Iliad.

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Irenaus around AD150 or so also confirmed this. This isn't a secret

What’s interesting here is that Irenaeus was the very first one we know of / have record of to ever call the gospels by the names Mark Matthew Luke and John. He had a hand in picking them to be what would become our canon - he had a hand in rejecting the other dozens of gospels as non inspired.

What Irenaeus’ reasoning to have four gospels? Well, because there are four cardinal directions and four winds, duh!

Another interesting tidbit is that Irenaeus doesn’t mention these four canonical gospels by name until the time period he wrote “Against Heresies” of which a major component of that work was his arguments against Marcion of Sinope who had composed the very first Christian canon and bible. Many experts believe that Mark - obviously the first of the four we have today - was an edited and amended version of Marcion’s gospel that he called Evangelikon. And we have Marcion’s letters complaining that people were copying and editing his gospel to boot.

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Mark was in the 60-70's

That’s laughable

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Not one thing i have researched shows any scholars saying they were dependent upon Paul's letters.

You must not even be trying.

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Raymond E Brown, The Gospel according to John specifically states quote:There is almost no use of Pauline vocabulary. For example: Justification, central to Paul is absent from John

John is the latest and was the most unique and was dependent on the previous gospels and Paul but wasn’t a blatant copy of Mark Luke or Matthew. Does Raymond Brown compare Mark to Paul?

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Most experts would argue that Paul didn’t talk about Jesus’ life on earth because those stories hadn’t yet been invented.
You're not understanding it apparently. He wrote about Jesus before the gospels were written but after Jesus death and resurrection.

I agree with your statement here (except the part of me not understanding). My statement still stands.

There’s a guy named Mason Locke Weem who wrote a biography of George Washington in 1806. He recorded a story about George chopping down his father’s cherry tree, and when confronted, says “I cannot tell a lie”. George died in 1799. Imagine some other guy writing a biography in 1805 not mentioning the cherry tree incident because it hadn’t been invented yet. So the Weem fellow later admitted the cherry tree incident was a total fabrication on his part just made to convey a characteristic of George’s character to the reader. It was a made up story, and I bet you know that story 200+ years later of George chopping it down.
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 4:14 pm to
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I’m surprised the modern Chinese haven’t tried just mixing some genes like they did with the coronaviruses in Wuhan. They’ve already made “humanized” mice, why not start with Chimps and increase the amount of human genes they get - hell the chromosomes already match between humans and chimps so it wouldn’t be hard technically and they don’t have to deal with the ethical hurdles since they are godless heathens.

May I ask what skool you attended?
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1617 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 4:27 pm to
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So the Weem fellow later admitted the cherry tree incident was a total fabrication on his part just made to convey a characteristic of George’s character to the reader.


But how did he write it down if it wasn’t true? If it was a legitimate lie, the paper would’ve rejected the ink.
Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
Member since May 2025
382 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 4:47 pm to
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May I ask what skool you attended?

Bro, do I really have to explain to you the ancient human chromosome #2 fusion event?
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 5:14 pm to
Nothing is flat in 3 dimensions
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 5:17 pm to
Like carrots being good for your eyes...


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