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re: Do you care if your chicken was humanely raised?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:18 am to Ed Osteen
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:18 am to Ed Osteen
It's not like I knew he was a chicken farmer. I have family members who are in the business as well and they seemingly are in hard times. I've never asked for obvious reasons.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:19 am to retreaux
At a Sprouts in Oklahoma I heard a lady order ethically roasted turkey. I'm curious as to exactly how you ethically roast an animal.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:24 am to retreaux
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chicken farms
heard there's good money in these... is that still true? they smell terrible, but i guess if they make you money, you learn to love it.....
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:28 am to retreaux
I think I might feel worse if they were raised humanely just to be eaten by me. At least this way I put them out of their misery.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:34 am to cas4t
My intention wasn't to corner you up cas, since I like you as a poster.
My point was only, you get out what you put in. For a long while(when I was a kid) my family didn't have anyone that worked for us. It wasn't feasible in order to make money. That meant 7 days a week 10 hours a day for a long while. My grandfather built his first two chicken houses in the late 80's. He almost lost everything because he used oil production $ to pay for it and then oil hit the shits in the 90's.
Those two houses were eventually torn down because they were shitty and cheap builds. We have our two laying houses there now, where during peak for the birds, we get 25,000 eggs a day. Our other location in Oklahoma is strictly bird raising.
Point is...you can't go cheap and you have to reinvest money early on or it will fail. There is no bailout and your provider expects you to keep the houses maintained. We are inspected once a month. They're so picky we can't even have weeds grown up around the houses. The grass must be mowed. Inspectors are pricks, but they have to be.
My point was only, you get out what you put in. For a long while(when I was a kid) my family didn't have anyone that worked for us. It wasn't feasible in order to make money. That meant 7 days a week 10 hours a day for a long while. My grandfather built his first two chicken houses in the late 80's. He almost lost everything because he used oil production $ to pay for it and then oil hit the shits in the 90's.
Those two houses were eventually torn down because they were shitty and cheap builds. We have our two laying houses there now, where during peak for the birds, we get 25,000 eggs a day. Our other location in Oklahoma is strictly bird raising.
Point is...you can't go cheap and you have to reinvest money early on or it will fail. There is no bailout and your provider expects you to keep the houses maintained. We are inspected once a month. They're so picky we can't even have weeds grown up around the houses. The grass must be mowed. Inspectors are pricks, but they have to be.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:36 am to cas4t
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I have family members who are in the business as well and they seemingly are in hard times. I've never asked for obvious reasons
Yet you tell a guy to look more into it after watching some Vice documentary.
Lol
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:39 am to retreaux
Eh... I think it's sort of messed up. But not messed up enough to stop me from buying these inhumanely-raised chickens' butchered parts from the store and eating them on the reg. I'm not going to start locally-sourcing my kitchen.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:42 am to Jones
I've done more than watch a documentary. There are articles out there that support the evidence in the documentary and I see the standard of living my cousins have. It's pretty terrible.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:44 am to Hawgeye
Makes sense. I agree with the poster earlier stating that docs and whatnot are going to show us the worst case scenario, and the folks being interviewed are likely biased. Most unsuccessful people find a reason to blame someone else in my experience.
I'm glad to hear that my thoughts on this are wrong of course. It sounds like a tough business and I could see where many fail at it for the reasons you've listed.
I'm glad to hear that my thoughts on this are wrong of course. It sounds like a tough business and I could see where many fail at it for the reasons you've listed.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:49 am to cas4t
You can find articles to support anything. Vice is almost on the level if Peta.
You have family in the business but don't ask them. That would be the first people I would talk to instead of trusting Vice and some articles. Their shitty standard of living could be the direct result of them being shitty farmers amongst other things.
Your statement earlier is something that would happen in some terrible country where the people are treated like crap and have no other choice.
Saw your post above. It is a tough business and takes a lot of hard work to get it done successfully
You have family in the business but don't ask them. That would be the first people I would talk to instead of trusting Vice and some articles. Their shitty standard of living could be the direct result of them being shitty farmers amongst other things.
Your statement earlier is something that would happen in some terrible country where the people are treated like crap and have no other choice.
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Yea that's pretty telling. They basically keep these farmers below poverty level and if the farmers make a fuss about it to anyone, they give them "bad chickens" or "bad eggs" as a form of punishment. Pretty shitty.
Saw your post above. It is a tough business and takes a lot of hard work to get it done successfully
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:56 am to Jones
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You have family in the business but don't ask them.
we aren't that close and don't see each other often, so it'd be weird to ask them about it TBH. I just know that they appear to be dirt poor and my grandma is constantly helping them financially.
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Your statement earlier is something that would happen in some terrible country where the people are treated like crap and have no other choice.
my info came directly from the doc which interviewed farmers. Maybe hawgeye can speak on the "tournament style" I spoke too earlier, as the doc painted that in a light that the rich get much richer, and the ones who lose out are left hanging out to dry.
It sounds like he and his family would be considered winners in the deal based on hard work and reinvesting in their business.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:00 am to cas4t
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Maybe hawgeye can speak on the "tournament style" I spoke too earlier, as the doc painted that in a light that the rich get much richer, and the ones who lose out are left hanging out to dry.
It sounds like he and his family would be considered winners in the deal based on hard work and reinvesting in their business.
I mean...if you were running a business, would you keep providing chickens to shitty growers?
seems like basic business principles to me
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:05 am to retreaux
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Do you care if your chicken was humanely raised?
Yes. Animals are very capable of suffering. I'm not a vegan because it's difficult to maintain a healthy diet without meat (and because meat is delicious) but I look forward to the day when synthetic meat replaces real animal meat. If you're not aware, this is very much in development. Eventually it will taste as good as real meat and will be cheaper to produce
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:09 am to Salmon
well of course, but not everyone that comes out badly would be a shitty grower.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:10 am to retreaux
Cruelly killed chickens taste better.
You haven't lived till you've wrung one's neck and watched it run around for a min.
You haven't lived till you've wrung one's neck and watched it run around for a min.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:37 am to Grim
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Eventually it will taste as good as real meat and will be cheaper to produce
good
maybe beef will be cheaper
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:59 am to retreaux
No
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:13 pm to Spaceman Spiff
You've never eaten a chicken on steroids, I promise. They do manipulate them into wanting to eat more by using the lighting in the houses. Plus a company like Tyson might want a 5.5 lb. bird versus Peco who might want 7.5...Peco feeds them for more days.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:18 pm to retreaux
Actually ... chickens have a rough time but hey, it is what it is. No one cares UNLESS you've ever seen it from cradle to grave.
It's cruel.
I wish we could find a better way to do it but we cannot, not if we want to make money and keep up with demand not only on the supply side, but with regard to our masters ... in my case Columbia Farms, Amick Farms, Gentry Poultry, etc.
Free Range is better - but imagine the logistical problems not the least of which is varmint control. And when you get into varmint control then you get into a whole 'nuther bunch of problems with dog and cat lovers, coyote lovers, hawk lovers, snake lovers and so on and so forth.
So, given the demand, the way we are doing it is about the only way to do it, it is the most humane way to do it at the moment ... but raising livestock, of any kind, for slaughter, is rough for the average person to understand.
We do it all on this farm. Cattle, hogs (just for family consumption), chickens, ... chickens have it the worst, those raised in the houses, by far.
Our free range birds, the ones we actually raise for family consumption, they have it far better than the house raised white birds.
It's cruel.
I wish we could find a better way to do it but we cannot, not if we want to make money and keep up with demand not only on the supply side, but with regard to our masters ... in my case Columbia Farms, Amick Farms, Gentry Poultry, etc.
Free Range is better - but imagine the logistical problems not the least of which is varmint control. And when you get into varmint control then you get into a whole 'nuther bunch of problems with dog and cat lovers, coyote lovers, hawk lovers, snake lovers and so on and so forth.
So, given the demand, the way we are doing it is about the only way to do it, it is the most humane way to do it at the moment ... but raising livestock, of any kind, for slaughter, is rough for the average person to understand.
We do it all on this farm. Cattle, hogs (just for family consumption), chickens, ... chickens have it the worst, those raised in the houses, by far.
Our free range birds, the ones we actually raise for family consumption, they have it far better than the house raised white birds.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:21 pm to Schmelly
you are eating the vibrations
chickens fed organic GMO-free corn are going to be more easily ingested than the GMO-DNA "corn" inventions of Dow Chemical.
chickens fed organic GMO-free corn are going to be more easily ingested than the GMO-DNA "corn" inventions of Dow Chemical.
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