re: Do you believe in the Fermi Paradox: The Great Filter?

How the hell did that come out of somebody with the username 'foshizzle'?

Are you secretly this guy -

1). The range of the electromagnetic emanating from the Earth is probably a radius of 1 LY. You need truly power EM emitting sources to be detected over in stellar distances

2). Galactic civilization density. There may be tens or hundreds of galactic civilizations on the other arm of our galaxy. There may be 1 or 2 on this arm. The Andromeda galaxy may have thousands of advanced civilations. We may have 1 or 2 in the Milky Way.

It has been postulated that besides the roadblock of a planet having to be in a "goldilocks zone" around a star to suppport life, the amount of radiation on that developing planet is a limiting factor in the evolution of higher species.

Too much radiation makes it impossible to assemble much more than the simplest organisms and too little doesn't drive mutation at a rate needed for life capable of space exploration to evolve.

We may not be the only game in town but it took some incredibly good cosmic fortune for us to become us.

Enrico was an intellectual badass.

What he failed to take into consideration with regard to potential life on other planets is one of Einstein's little theories known as Special Relativity.

Other little variables throw wrenches in the gears as well.

1 - Planets orbit around suns. Suns are incredibly bright. Any attempts at sending signals (lasers for example) from planets orbiting bright objects would be muted. Meaning we would have a hard time seeing them.

2 - Light bends. When we look at galaxies billions of light years away we have no real clue where those galaxies are at present because, as you know, we are seeing them as they were 14 billion years ago. Furthermore, those protons we see have been bent (sic: misdirected) by heavy objects along the way so we're essentially looking through a house of mirrors (the best way I know to analogize it). What we see over here could easily have actually been behind us, over there.

3 - There is absolutely no doubt there is other life out there. Intelligent life. Problem is, as we know, we cannot travel near light speed nor can we send signals faster than light. And when we're talking communicating with other life, even in this Galaxy, we're talking such massive distances (let's saying 200,000 light years from one side of this Galaxy to the other) ... that even if you take out special relativity and space time continuums (4 dimensions mind you) and gravitational relativistic effects on photons ... well then we almost have to start thinking in terms of a matrix type existence.

Unless, unless, we figure out a way to fold that 4D space time continuum and pierce the fabric of space via worm holes or whatever.

Fermi was an absolute genius theorist but he was no Einstein.

Michio Kaku has pretty much despelled the Fermi Pardox as trivial even though Michael Hart made a case forty years ago for it not being so ... it's still interesting theory.

Another thing is that if we take the whole Drake Equation as serious science and math, which it is, (there's a great documentary on Netflix about this btw), then it only serves to further marginalize the Fermi Paradox as nothing more than an interesting mind game.

So to answer your question OP, no I do not believe in what the Fermi Paradox suggests. There are just too many variables he failed to take into account. And another thing. Why is it so dependent upon finding artifacts left behind here or anywhere? That's like asking us to find a piece of flea dung on the bottom of the Pacific in an area that was once above water three billion years ago. And even that is not an apples to apples comparison when you take into account the size of our Galaxy much less the universe.

And then when we start talking 11 dimensions and multiple universes ... it just doesn't hold up.

Foshizzle May be the smartest mother fricker on this site. I mean that’s like having the biggest dick in Asia. Still impressive.

No. If you understand the scale of space, you realize it is impossible to even see another habitable planet. Much less communicate with it.

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You mean like the theory that homo sapiens wiped out Neanderthal? (And I know this theory is hotly contested, but the fact that it was accepted for so long kind of puts to bed the notion that "species don't annihilate other species")

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...They used to accept the fact that the earth was the center of the universe too. The fact that it was accepted for so long kind of means that we can put to bed the notion "that the earth isn't the center of the universe".

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You are speaking of life forms that have evolved in the same environment, on the same planet, not species competing to stay alive across galaxies. Symbiotic relationships can't evolve over such vast differences.

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How does this do anything to support a theory that they must be seeking to annihilate anything else they encounter.


That just doesn't make sense either. You can't claim that because they are from far far away and super different they must be super aggressive and couldn't possibly have any altruistic traits. Also who's to say that the drastic differences couldn't be ultimately beneficial to both parties, Oh its just because you say so.

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I am unaware of any species that specialize or even generally use a tactic of annihilating other species as self defense. This seems extremely unlikely as this strategy seems to maximize potential conflict, which makes 0 sense from a logical or evolutionary standpoint.

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Tell that to the Indians.

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Tell that to the Indians.

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Are you saying Indians are not homo sapiens?

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Sure, theyll come when its time is a sentiment im ok with, but its very different than the guy i was responding to suggesting this theory that other alien life form species must be seeking out other species to destroy in order to prevent their supreme intergalatic species from being toppled.

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Agreed

Who knows. Whatever the case may be, we're toast if they come with bad intentions.

I hope for a more "Childhoods End" type of visitation. Or what's that movie that came out last year, Arrival? That was pretty cool.

None of it is good science though.