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re: Do you believe in the Fermi Paradox: The Great Filter?

Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:01 am to
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2858 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:01 am to
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am unaware of any species that specialize or even generally use a tactic of annihilating other species as self defense


Talk to a musk rat lately? How about a Native American?




Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
13978 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:14 am to
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The fact that 2 cars can theoretically hit head-on but go right through each other without touching is mind blowing enough. But being theoretically possible to teleport could be a game changer in interstellar travel.


If we were able to develop a technology that allowed two cars about to hit each other change dimensions right before a crash, we would probably have the technology to teleport.
Teleportation might not work for people that have synthetic body parts. But again if we can teleport then maybe we can maybe grow organic body parts with DNA.

However, nothing will ever happen due to the opposition to such capabilities. Some will want to put that money into slums to help people that can't be helped. Others will have philosophical opposition for religious or other reasons.

Get this; I worked with a lady that totally opposed to anything that ventured off of this planet. She thought that the space shuttle was evil and basically thought that natural disasters were God's punishment for using such things.

Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2858 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:23 am to
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The pryamids were built with technology we can’t even comprehend right now.

Science and archeology already figured it out. It was simply good ole human ingenuity combined with LOTS of muscle power and time.
There were no super technologically advanced civilizations in the far past. There were no aliens. There is zero evidence of it.
What some people can't comprehend is that humans are capable of quite a lot, even without narrow educations and pieces of paper telling them they're "smart."
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
104081 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:24 am to
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Its very likely that space has advanced civilizations but its less likely that they will vist us. We've only started to broadcast signals into space, if we wait 100k yrs then I'm sure we'll be visited. Our problem is that mankind is too destructive; we dont take care of each other, our planet and even space.


Why should we assume there are interstellar life forms who evolved to be less “destructive” than Homo sapiens?
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:29 am to
The issue being that the bodies would need to pass through each other in less time than it takes for the sub atomic particle to either a. Vibrate into a position where a collision would be made (string ) or b. Have orbiting electrons run a course that cause collision
The quantum mechanics require all particles to be frozen in space-time for this ‘vast space’ to be existent
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42839 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:37 am to
Because a common theory is a species can't evolve to that level without being peaceful. War torn places like Africa don't evolve. It is counter productive. Anyway, if you could space travel, there is so many resources on non habitable planets you wouldn't need to kill things. And no one would waste the resources on bringing an army to another solar system.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
104081 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:45 am to
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Because a common theory is a species can't evolve to that level without being peaceful. War torn places like Africa don't evolve. It is counter productive. Anyway, if you could space travel, there is so many resources on non habitable planets you wouldn't need to kill things. And no one would waste the resources on bringing an army to another solar system.




But he’s making the assumption that humans would never be able to so evolve due to some inherent destructive nature. What sort of different inherehent trait would a further evolved interstellar life form need to posses to get over this hurdle he’s assuming humans will never be able to overcome and why should we assume there is such a life form if we are assuming we could never evolve into such?
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 6:48 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:08 am to
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But he’s making the assumption that humans would never be able to so evolve due to some inherent destructive nature. What sort of different inherehent trait would a further evolved interstellar life form need to posses to get over this hurdle he’s assuming humans will never be able to overcome and why should we assume there is such a life form if we are assuming we could never evolve into such?


He's making the argument that the great filter weeds out warlike societies.. we could travel the stars but we are more concerned with bombing brown people.

Some interesting quotes from lockheed martin/skunkworks guys a few decades ago though..
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
104081 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:15 am to
Brown people? Who are we?
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1221 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:36 am to
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And "teleporting" across interstellar distances is even less likely than that. Source: Got my degree in Physics and Astronomy and spent far too much time doing homework calculating stuff like this. For subatomic particles yes this is a thing, anything larger and no it isn't.


Maybe just a few generations ago the absolute best minds in physics and science would have confidently said man going to space, or the moon, was impossible.

Might be unlikely now, to our (your) tiny minds, but who knows?
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:42 am to
People from all over the world, from citizens to NASA astronauts and fighter pilots have encountered extra-terrestrials.

The fact that people refuse to accept it is appalling. Read a little. Do just a touch of research on the subject, and you'll discover we have been visited for as long as there have been living beings on the Earth.

Get the book, or look up Ronald Reagan's briefing at Camp David from March 6-8, 1981. William Casey, Secretary Caspar Weinberger, and an extremely knowledgeable person referred to as The Caretaker answered all his questions and disclosed information on aliens.

Also:

"They're Parked on The Side of the Crater, THEY’RE WATCHING US"! Neil Armstrong Landed On The Moon

LINK


Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
10489 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:43 am to
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I don’t think we assume any one of those things.

But we have to start somewhere. What you’re describing as inflexible assumptions are simply our starting points.

I agree with that.. maybe my phrasing was poor. I don’t think the SETI scientists are inflexible on their assumptions, I think they are doing the best they can with technology and resources we have today.

What I should have said is that you have to buy into all of these assumptions to read into the Fermi Paradox. If you believe in the Fermi Paradox, you believe that there is no widespread colonization by other species. And if you believe that, you must believe that if there were widespread colonization, we would have detected it by now. Which seems naive to me.

Hopefully that makes more sense.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6945 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:44 am to
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particles colliding


Colliding particles are not the only thing to worry about...

particles passing by each other disrupt both their electro-magnetic and gravitational fields...



If you add that to the thought of trillions of particles having to be in an exact spot/motion and taking consideration of the orbits of every last electron, etc. Is it even really theoretically possible for the two cars to pass through each other without touching. On a simple level, just considering the space....sure.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1221 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:46 am to
I think it is foolish and conceited to not consider that we are not already "interstellar" as humans, or slightly evolved extra-terrestrials. Who can say that the earth wasn't identified as a potential nursery and "seeded" with human ancestors as a way of guaranteeing the survival of our parent species?

Evolution theory still fits in the scenario.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:50 am to
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Brown people? Who are we?


The U.S? No other country is even close to leaving this rock
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 7:53 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
104081 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:09 am to
Are you saying we (Americans) are uniquely destructive among the human race? Are you a total and complete simpleton?
Posted by LarryDavid
Los Angeles
Member since Sep 2010
4207 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:11 am to
When I first learned of this, I saw that several people advised to read the book

Saturn Run by John Sandford

It has an interesting take on a unique alien first contact not mentioned in theory -- and how our planet reacts to the entire situation. Several surprises in it and an exciting and excellent read. Very believable in many aspects.
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3492 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:44 am to
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It seems humans can’t evolve enough to be able to ever have interstellar space travel.


Unless you consider that we will likely end up creating an AI that will be our robot overlord and will have the ability to travel long distances without food or aging.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:58 am to
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Are you saying we (Americans) are uniquely destructive among the human race? Are you a total and complete simpleton?


I think you should learn to fricking read
Posted by dawgsjlw
shite hole with your momma
Member since Sep 2014
826 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 1:13 pm to
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Reason is time. It seems the odds of a catastrophic event that resets life on planets happen too frequently.
Wouldn't that same logic also show that there are some species that can over come this and still keep its civilization intact after such events or even avoid them?
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