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re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 10:58 am to MAROON
Posted on 2/11/14 at 10:58 am to MAROON
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Just don't try to force my church to perform the ceremony.
When has it even been brought up that churches should have to perform homosexual marriages?
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 10:59 am
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:13 am to The First Cut
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Marriage is in the Old Testament (before Christ for atheists), so yes its History predates Christianity. However, in its long history it has always been a covenant between a man and a woman and arguably was established under religious pretenses.
It was established under survival pretenses thousands of years ago. Had nothing to do with religon or love.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:16 am to Goldrush25
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This is literally the worst fricking thread I've ever read through
You just have not been here that long. Believe me it gets worse
Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:23 am to The First Cut
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Marriage is in the Old Testament (before Christ for atheists), so yes its History predates Christianity. However, in its long history it has always been a covenant between a man and a woman and arguably was established under religious pretenses.
It's been going on even longer than Judaism. If you want to know what marriage was like historically, Game of Thrones is pretty close to it. Marriage was not done for love as it is today, but to forge alliances between families.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:08 pm to OMLandshark
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When has it even been brought up that churches should have to perform homosexual marriages?
Seriously? There are huge denominational fights going on in the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian and Lutheran churches over this very subject.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:23 pm to MAROON
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Seriously? There are huge denominational fights going on in the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian and Lutheran churches over this very subject
And those are church issues. Govt and hay rights groups are not "forcing" them to do this.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:54 pm to MAROON
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Fine - call it marriage. Just don't try to force my church to perform the ceremony. Why do you want to me married in a church when you obviously disagree with the tenets of the church?
If your church doesn't want it, then it shouldn't be forced to do it. No one who believes in religious freedom/seperation of church/state wants that. They want to be married in the eyes of their government and if their church allows it then I suppose there too. However what this is really about is getting the same rights/legal options you have when you get married to your spouse, so that is government marriage.
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It was established under survival pretenses thousands of years ago. Had nothing to do with religon or love.
Yep, tons of different cultures/ancient religions have done it different ways. Ancient Greek homosexual marriages were more like our current concept, emotional attachment and only having one partner. Then you had the heterosexual version which was just to produce offspring and be a legal contract for possessions with no emotional attachment. They would go around screwing anyone they wanted otherwise.
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:09 pm to Dam Guide
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However what this is really about is getting the same rights/legal options you have when you get married to your spouse, so that is government marriage.
we both agree on this
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:28 pm to MAROON
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Seriously? There are huge denominational fights going on in the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian and Lutheran churches over this very subject.
Well then no one is forcing, or trying to force, your church to do it. If they're having debate then that's their choice. And if the losing side of the debate doesn't like the decision, it will be their choice to leave the church or accept it. This is how church reforms happen, and why there is more than one denomination in just about every religion.
If you found out your denomination was going to start performing gay marriages, it would be up to you how you choose to react.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:38 pm to Dam Guide
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Ancient Greek homosexual marriages
Yeah! Let's do what was done in Greek antiquity. We can dump this democracy in favor of oligarchy while we're at it.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:40 pm to The First Cut
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Yeah! Let's do what was done in Greek antiquity. We can dump this democracy in favor of oligarchy while we're at it.
The example was brought up as a response to the comment (your comment if I'm not mistaken) that marriage has always been a "covenant" between a man and a woman going back in time according to the bible. This example disproves your comment.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:49 pm to Peazey
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The example was brought up as a response to the comment (your comment if I'm not mistaken) that marriage has always been a "covenant" between a man and a woman going back in time according to the bible. This example disproves your comment.
Greek homosexual relations from this period was most often grown men and pubescent or adolescent boys. It was not a "marriage" as we conceive it today. Suggesting that the US should to do what was done in Hellenistic Greece is a travesty.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:52 pm to The First Cut
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Suggesting that the US should to do what was done in Hellenistic Greece is a travesty.
Same could be said about suggesting the US adhere to the norms of 230 years ago. Or 50 years ago in this very same country.
Yet people strongly advocate for that
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:56 pm to magildachunks
Is this a rebuttal? What is your argument?
There was a statement that in Greek Antiquity homosexuals were allowed to marry. This is an incomplete statement and is suggesting that we model our laws after a tyrannical, failed system of government.
There was a statement that in Greek Antiquity homosexuals were allowed to marry. This is an incomplete statement and is suggesting that we model our laws after a tyrannical, failed system of government.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:58 pm to magildachunks
Gayness in society will cause society to decline.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:02 pm to beejon
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Gayness in society will cause society to decline.
gays gentrify more inner city areas than any straight, religious white people ever think about
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:03 pm to Salmon
Not all gays are your uncles man
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:05 pm to DanTiger
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Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
I dont care what other people do with there own lives, but it doesn't mean I have to accept it or agree with it. I still believe that its wrong and you are NOT born gay.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:07 pm to LSUballs
Why do all the gays cry out for approval. If they would just mind their own business, then people wouldn't hate them so much.
The gays are just fricking annoying.
The gays are just fricking annoying.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:11 pm to tgrbaitn08
It's not wrong man. Dudes are supposed to butt sex other dudes. It's the way things shid be and you should accept it. It's natural and healthy. Don't look at the fact that 80+ % of males with aids in this country have sex with other males. It's healthy and right. If by chance you do disagree with their lifestyle, well, that means you are hateful and scared of them. There are no such things as right and wrong. If it feels good do it. You have a lot to learn you homophobe.
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