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re: Did we ever get a good explanation on why they got rid of cabooses?

Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:05 pm to
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They don’t have coal cars any more either.


Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117692 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:14 pm to
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If you look at the regulatory climate for railroads at the time, it was awful. Five man crews were required. Rates were set by the government. Ability to add and drop service frequency or entire routes was also fed regulated. Meanwhile, the states knew the railroads couldn't exactly cut and run, so they set up very high tax rates. Ergo the bankruptcies



I mean, you’re not wrong. But the average adult man or woman who were beginning to believe that mayonnaise, which had been stored at room temperature for close to 48 hours, was safe for consumption, were responsible for changing the landscape of several American industries.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23379 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:16 pm to
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They don’t have coal cars any more either.


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Train loads of coal roll through my town daily


He is referring to the tender for a steam locomotive as a "coal car."

Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
12881 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:34 pm to
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No one wants to be the caboose when you’re running a train

Unless it’s your Destiny.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
6991 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:38 pm to
In the early 90's I had an idea to get a caboose and sell sabrett hotdogs out of it.. I contacted my local railroad and they quoted me.. get this.... $2,500 delivered.. and I didn't do it...

You could not touch one for $125,000 today..

I really screwed that deal up for sure..

But.. at that time. My second ex kept me penniless.
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
2379 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:45 pm to
Digitization of railway systems made them obsolete & unnecessary
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53779 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 3:07 pm to
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No one wants to be the caboose when you’re running a train

Unless it’s your Destiny.


Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 3:11 pm to
Caboose cancelled after not using pro nouns for tanker cars dressed as box cars.
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
453 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:29 pm to
In general, passenger trains never had cabooses (a/k/a cabeese); the conductor rode in the passenger cars. These days, in freight trains the conductor rides in the lead locomotive instead of a caboose, unless the train has to shove (run in reverse) a significant distance, in which case there's often a "shoving platform", often an old caboose with the interior closed off. Instead of the caboose, a freight train has to have an "end-of-train device" i.e. flashing red light at night, or solely during daylight hours a red flag.

In the steam locomotive era (for major U.S. railroads, it ended in 1959 or 1960), and especially when the car brakes were manual, far more crew were required: at least the engineer and the fireman in each locomotive, sometimes supplemented with an auxiliary fireman (if the locomotive lacked an automatic stoker and more than a certain amount of coal-shoveling was required), a coal-cutter, and/or a head-end brakeman / switchman; and the conductor and sometimes a read-end brakeman in the caboose. These days, everything can be controlled from the lead locomotive, and the conductor plus a lot more automation handle the other duties.

[ETA]
The reason you find yourself sitting and waiting for trains for longer now is that the trains have gotten a lot longer, for economic reasons. So not only do they take longer to pass, if they have to stop, they foul more crossings.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 9:32 pm
Posted by ultratiger89
Houston, Tx
Member since Aug 2007
3039 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:36 pm to
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I remember they told us some story about technology changing so they don’t need them anymore?
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
24576 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:49 pm to
Aw nevermind
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 9:50 pm
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29451 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:53 pm to
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Did we ever get a good explanation on why they got rid of cabooses?

We didn't get rid of them.

All the cabooses identify as locomotives now.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59623 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
1172 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:57 pm to
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As a kid looking for the caboose was one of my favorite car ride activities


When I was a kid we had an old lady relative we had to go visit every so often. There was a train that ran near her property and when we heard it we would always run over to try and see if this was going to be the train that actually had a caboose. Always disappointed. Thinking back it was probably the adults that would hype us up telling to go see if there was the mystical caboose.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
11967 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:09 pm to
I never thought how the railroad industry worked until I watched the movie, Unstoppable.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:39 pm to
I didn’t even notice until you posted this, but having the misfortune to have to litigate against CSX, I can honestly say they are as bad as big tobacco and worst than asbestos companies etc.

Mr Train conductor can you tell me your name?

Train conductor: All I can say is we blew the whistle at least 6 times before we hit the school bus.

(I swear this basically a true story)

Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30248 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:45 pm to
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$2,500 delivered.. and I didn't do it...



Where would you put it? How would you get it home?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49182 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:54 pm to
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I didn’t even notice until you posted this, but having the misfortune to have to litigate against CSX, I can honestly say they are as bad as big tobacco and worst than asbestos companies etc.

Mr Train conductor can you tell me your name?

Train conductor: All I can say is we blew the whistle at least 6 times before we hit the school bus.

(I swear this basically a true story)



Why was your client's school bus on the railroad tracks in front of a train?

*I actually loved the railroad lawyers. Basically told an Illinois State Trooper captain (or whatever higher rank they have) to suck my entire dick when he demanded my drivers license and there wasn't a thing he could do about it.

Had left a loaded hopper car upside down on the street after it derailed off a bridge.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155574 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:58 pm to
I started this thread a few years ago. It’s a good question
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49182 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:58 pm to
As far as cabooses go, they mostly came off in the 80's after crew consists were adjusted to reality. (Unions were not happy but was difficult to justify) Before that there were 5 guys on a crew. Even mainline trains that did no work enroute. Three on the locomotive and two on the caboose.

On the head end;
Engineer
Fireman (they were disappearing through attrition for the most part)
Head Brakeman

Caboose;
Conductor
Rear Brakeman

Won't go into all the reasons that they used to have guys on the rear of the train. Just know that technology and changes in some operating rules made them unnecessary.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 11:00 pm
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