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re: Did the us really lose the war in Vietnam?
Posted on 11/9/25 at 10:13 pm to bobBoxer
Posted on 11/9/25 at 10:13 pm to bobBoxer
Militarily, we faught the war in a stupid, inefficient manner. The people who actually had some insight as to how to fight the war weren't listened to, shunted aside, or removed.
Politically, we lost the PR war.
Politically, we lost the PR war.
This post was edited on 11/10/25 at 12:32 am
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Posted on 11/10/25 at 12:10 am to Rebel
JFK wanted to stop the war. LBJ did not. Guess who won?
Posted on 11/10/25 at 12:43 am to bobBoxer
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Vietnam has a strategic partnership with the US, and the government is communist in name only,
Communist in name only? Is that like the US being capitalist in name only?
Posted on 11/10/25 at 4:48 am to Motownsix
Militarily we did not lose. But the same kinds of traitors who are trying to overthrow Trump today succeeded in losing a war and overthrowing Nixon then.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Did the US achieve the objective of preventing the communist from taking over?
At that time, yes.
It's happening now so it was just delayed.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:27 am to bobBoxer
No we won, we pulled out cause we were secretly diverting too much military funding to fake the Moon Landings...
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:30 am to bobBoxer
Of course we lost.I have never heard otherwise, and any military historian will tell you the same. The US failed to achieve our objective, and we were driven out of S. Vietnam when Saigon fell.
Of course, the way we prosecuted the war was the reason.
Of course, the way we prosecuted the war was the reason.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:41 am to bobBoxer
Well, we now have little Braydenaline playing travel ball and that wasn't a thing before Vietnam, so, yeah... we lost bigly.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:49 am to bobBoxer
quote:let me go look for Saigon on a map , BRB
Did the us really lose the war in Vietnam?
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:20 am to Tempratt
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Did the US achieve the objective of preventing the communist from taking over?
At that time, yes.
It's happening now so it was just delayed.
Pretty sure the communists/ marxists were already here.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:31 am to bobBoxer
Yes, from the very 1st shot
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:32 am to bobBoxer
We won the battles but lost the war
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:34 am to bobBoxer
The South didn't fall because we pulled out. The South fell because the Democrats in Congress cut off their military aid. No more weapons or supplies from us. Meanwhile, the Russkies were arming the North to the teeth. Starved of the means to fight, South Vietnam fell.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:37 am to bobBoxer
3 Pages in and no cinephile has chimed in with this classic?
The historical discussion is still enjoyable.
The historical discussion is still enjoyable.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:39 am to bobBoxer
Politicians lost that war...no will to win...frick them..dishonor to my father's generation
Posted on 11/10/25 at 8:15 am to bobBoxer
If the US really wanted to win they could have. The war was just so unpopular at home.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 8:19 am to travelgamer
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During the war the US was not allowed into Laos and Camnbodia
Yep. It was never really a war. A war is about skull fricking the enemy at any costs. It is not civilized. We haven't had a real war since WWII.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 8:32 am to bobBoxer
First, there was never a declaration of war. The last time congress actually declared war was WW2.
Sure, that's semantics, but it helps with context when you look at some of the strategies that were employed.
Sure, that's semantics, but it helps with context when you look at some of the strategies that were employed.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 8:34 am to bobBoxer
Look at the capitalism of Vietnam today 
Another stupid proxy war
Another stupid proxy war
Posted on 11/10/25 at 8:43 am to Clark14
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How they came up with the death counts is beyond me and it was for both sides.
It wasn't all that complicated. Counts of US deaths were pretty accurate since bodies or biggest body parts were collected and sent home. Bad guy counts involved a lot of estimates, guesses and exaggerations. There was a lot of pressure from command to push those numbers up, but even with exaggeration the battlefield estimates agree well with modern estimates made by Vietnamese government.
Today when the media mention US casualties somewhere some people are shocked to hear of deaths in single digits. In 1968 US lost more than 200 in a single engagement. The cost of the Vietnam war shocked a whole lot of people... especially families getting draft notices.
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