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re: Did the ability to "win" a war end with the Geneva Conventions?
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:48 am to USAFTiger42
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:48 am to USAFTiger42
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No the ability to win a war stopped once we allowed journalists to reside near battle.
So.....The Civil War?
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Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:49 am to pankReb
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So.....The Civil War
More like Vietnam.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:49 am to sidewalkside
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Did the ability to "win" a war end with the Geneva Conventions?
The Geneva conventions don't have jackshit to do with it. No one gives a shite about that.
The United States Government and its corporate handlers have zero interest in winning a foreign war. These wars now are started and fought for profit. To decisively win one is to cut off a source of corporate revenue. That's not gonna happen.
The Middle East for instance has been cultivated for ongoing war profit. In fact, the only global contribution that gut pile of a region offers the world is corporate war revenue and energy.
Fundamentally, anyone currently in the armed forces is fighting for the likes of Halliburton, GE, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and every other publicly traded defense contractor in this country. Only a sucker believes otherwise.
To all of you proudly serving in The United States Armed Forces. My investment portfolio thanks you for your service.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:50 am to DeafJam73
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So.....The Civil War
More like Vietnam.
There were scores of embedded journalists during the Civil War. The New York Herald had 40 or so reporters just by themselves reporting from the fields.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:52 am to pankReb
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There were scores of embedded journalists embedded during the Civil War. The New York Herald had 40 or so reporters just by themselves reporting from the fields.
What I mean was that the media during the Vietnam war really had a massive impact on the public’s view of the war in a way none had before. Yeah, the Civil War had reporters, but they couldn’t bring you video of a man being executed on TV while you ate dinner with your family.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:55 am to DeafJam73
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What I mean was that the media during the Vietnam war really had a massive impact on the public’s view of the war in a way none had before. Yeah, the Civil War had reporters, but they couldn’t bring you video of a man being executed on TV while you ate dinner with your family.
But that isn't what the poster I replied to said.
Your point is actually more that television is what had a massive impact.....not journalism. War crimes were being reported long before Vietnam.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:56 am to pankReb
Fair enough.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:59 am to sidewalkside
Prior to the creation of what we call the "International Communitay", conflicts were solidly resolved when one side lost around 30% of military age males. The winning side then imposed whatever the hell they wanted on the losing side. This is human history.
The current situation in Israel is 100% the fault of the "International Communitay". This conflict would have been solidly resolved DECADES ago.
I can hear you boohooing from here, "people would have died!" Guess what, nincompoop, people are still dying and more are going to die in the coming decades as we kick the can down the road.
The situation in Israel needs a RESOLUTION.
The current situation in Israel is 100% the fault of the "International Communitay". This conflict would have been solidly resolved DECADES ago.
I can hear you boohooing from here, "people would have died!" Guess what, nincompoop, people are still dying and more are going to die in the coming decades as we kick the can down the road.
The situation in Israel needs a RESOLUTION.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:05 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
I’m pretty sure Israel is going to have their own resolution. They don’t appear to really care what the world thinks right now. Which was inevitable.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:08 am to sidewalkside
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saw a comment in another thread that the US hasn't won a war since WW2.
We have. We finance both sides. We win no matter how many die. That's a fact.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:10 am to sidewalkside
Winning wars doesnt make money. Sustained wars are preferred.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:33 am to sidewalkside
First, wars have been won since the Geneva Conventions were signed, including WW2.
Second, the reason we don’t win wars anymore is because the definition of “win” you are using is geographical. But the occupation of land is no longer of paramount importance since WW2 ended. The Americans, victorious in WW2, abandoned almost all of the conquered territories. It was their markets we were after, not their land.
Second, the reason we don’t win wars anymore is because the definition of “win” you are using is geographical. But the occupation of land is no longer of paramount importance since WW2 ended. The Americans, victorious in WW2, abandoned almost all of the conquered territories. It was their markets we were after, not their land.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:55 am to sidewalkside
Well, look at the pressure that the world is putting on Israel right now. The Jews are waging the closest thing to a total war that we have seen in quite a while. They're doing it during the internet age where every aspect of it can be covered.
The world doesn't have the stomach for what they are currently seeing. Hell, some were yelling "Genocide!" within the first month of the war. The Jews are tired. The Jews don't care, or they haven't to this point. Even though the world (The US included) told them going into the Gaza strip was practically impossible and would cost tens of thousands of Jewish lives......they went in. It turns out that not only can't the world stomach total war, it is now incapable of imagining fighting a war in such a way as to actually eliminate the enemy. The Jews didn't tiptoe into this one as we have all become accustomed to doing.
The world doesn't have the stomach for what they are currently seeing. Hell, some were yelling "Genocide!" within the first month of the war. The Jews are tired. The Jews don't care, or they haven't to this point. Even though the world (The US included) told them going into the Gaza strip was practically impossible and would cost tens of thousands of Jewish lives......they went in. It turns out that not only can't the world stomach total war, it is now incapable of imagining fighting a war in such a way as to actually eliminate the enemy. The Jews didn't tiptoe into this one as we have all become accustomed to doing.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 12:09 pm to sidewalkside
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Did the ability to "win" a war end with the Geneva Conventions?
If a country is truly fighting for their lives, there will not be a tactic that isn't on the table. Be it nuclear, biological, conventional or technological. I think we see small-scale nuclear warfare in the next 20 years becoming adopted. Russia is not hiding their plans at all when it comes to adopting tactical nuclear weapons usage in its military doctrines. China seems to be investing heavily in virology and genetic sequencing research which indicates that might be their long term goal. Hell, COVID may have just been a trial run of something much more nasty.
The USA has their secrets too, but their doctrines are well-established and with the USA being on top of the global hegemony, their responses are traditionally limited and measured. When the next big war kicks off we'll see how well the Pentagon invested our money if conventional warfare doesn’t result in a victory.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 1:39 pm to bountyhunter
I just have to post this fence-sitting bullshite somewhere......
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BREAKING: Biden told Netanyahu an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize & improve the humanitarian situation & protect innocent civilians & he urged Netanyahu to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home, the White House says
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