re: Describe your view of feminism

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Generations from now when historians study the collapse of Western civilization, they’ll quickly identify feminism as one of, if not the, main causes. Feminism is one of the worst and most insidious lies ever perpetrated since the dawn of time.

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Feminism in 2025 would be unrecognizable to Feminists in 1965.

Feminism is is a movement that advocates for selective equality.

First and second wave, they had a point. Third and fourth, go frick yourself.

Women suffrage is still a terrible thing.

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While promoting their strong feminine independence they hold signs affirming their secuirity comes from a collective identity.

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Yasslighting is self-destructive

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If you can’t read through this thread and see his point, it’s because you just don’t want to

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If you can't read actual feminist writings and see that every word I posted is true, then you don't want to.

See how that fallacy works both ways?

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Someone actually agreed with his statement while you were typing this drivel, so I’m gonna go ahead and agree with his original statement

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Did I claim that no one would agree with him? I don't think I did, so I'm not sure what agreeing with him has to do with anything.

The majority of the public agrees with him; I'll readily concede that. That doesn't make him right.

So we have an appeal to popularity and an appeal to incredulity.

What other logical fallacies do you have up your slleve for us today?

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Not even NEAR my point.

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Correct. It's not near your point. It's exactly your point, which you conveniently reposted directly below. And I quote:

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women should be given free reign and opportunity to do anything a man can do. And any consideration of them being a female is misogynist.

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You're unconsciously putting men on a pedestal by summarizing what I've sad as "women acting like men".

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No, that's what YOU are doing. If women can't do the things men do, we're depriving women of the best things in life. Careers and promiscuity and STEM field educations and being irresponsible about the children they create and leadership positions. Everybody knows those are the best things in life so it's not fair the men get to do them and women can't.

If that's not the underlying foundation of the idea, what is it?

Freedom (I anticipate you'll say?).

Well, I don't think men should be encouraged to act like women either.

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When treating someone a certain way, gender should not be considered.

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Do you acknowledge that according to all the research, men and women have differences in anatomy, physiology, mental and emotional tendencies, interests, etc.? Or are you a science denier?

Those differences do matter. Are you aware that in the Scandinavian countries where gender is deliberately made as neutral as possible, the gap between what men and women organically choose as careers is wider than in countries in which "gender bias" is still present? Meaning that in those countries the percentage of women who choose careers like teaching and nursing and administrative assisting and other support/nurturing roles vs construction and engineering and IT and other STEM or hard science fields is wider than in, say, the US?

That's because women are naturally more interested in people and men are naturally more interested in things. So says the research, so says the reality. You can keep repeating the feminist concepts—and BTW, it doesn't matter whether you consider yourself a feminist if you repeat feminist ideology. I've told you exactly where you can find the very idea you are appealing to here, and I'll tell you again. Simone DeBeauvoir's "The Second Sex" from 1949—that males and females are simply blank slates upon which society writes social constructs, but the science disagrees with that concept.

And perhaps now is a great time to mention that the implication that you seem to be operating on is that absent your viewpoint women would somehow be prevented from pursuing their interests on the basis of their gender.

I'm not arguing for preventing anything.

I'm arguing against an ideology that convinces women that they are missing out unless they do things that run contrary to their scientifically identified tendencies. Women are NOT happier for trying to "have it all." That's another scientifically identified trend.

Voting? That's a larger discussion, but I will say this. Like people are ignorant of what feminism actually advocates for, people are also ignorant of the fact that feminism was NOT an organic grassroots movement...that's the revisionist perception.

The reality is that most women were not in favor of suffrage for women when it was being debated in the public square. And the (female) anti-suffragists made several predictions about what would happen if women started voting—things like that it would divide the family, that it would divide the country, that it would remove women from their role as the moral conscience in the family, etc., etc.—and as far as I can tell, every single prediction they made along those lines has come to pass.

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Additionally, leadership qualities are not biological. This has been proven over and over.

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Absolutely false. There's probably no aspect of gender studies with more mixed findings than that question. Are there studies that conform your viewpoint? Sure. And for every one that affirms it, there's another that denies it.

What's most likely IMO is the conclusion that men tend to make better leaders in certain situations and women tend to make better leaders in others (specifically, when a high degree of interpersonal relationships are necessary). Which doesn't contradict my viewpoint at all, it in fact underscores it.

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f a woman punches you, she doesn't get off lightly because she is a woman.

A woman doesn't get a door held for her because she's a woman. Likewise, if you hold a door for a woman, hold one for a man.

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Again, if I may assume the reason behind those social norms is that women are physically weaker than men—I have to wonder why someone would advocate for ignoring that obvious and scientifically proven difference between the two. The first example is on a practical level, the second is symbolic, but why would that obviously true fact be ignored in either case?

What other science do you deny?

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These are just basic things.

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No, the basic things are things like men are stronger than women and women are naturally more social and nurturing than men. That's something any 4 year old can tell you.

It takes complicated ideas to deny those simple, basic realities and complex rationalizations for why someone should. You think it's "basic stuff" because feminism has so successfully been integrated into mainstream thought. You don't really know anything about the actual ideology of feminism...and most people don't. They/you just know what they have absorbed through osmosis (feminist bias in education, media, etc.)

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Men are typically leaders because we live in a patriarchal society.

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But men are NOT typically leaders. There are several example of society in which women lead. They just aren't in professional settings.

And a patriarchal society is the only society we have or will ever have, because men (as a bloc) have a monopoly on force.

Holy frick dude, go outside

You’re gonna run the Midwest out of water with your chat GPT abuse

I view it poorly.

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