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Describe the state of this country if Chauvin gets off.

Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:02 pm
Granted it will hinge completely on using the medical report to establish doubt as to whether Chauvin's actions were the cause of death, but I'm not ruling it out at this point. But all that aside, how bad does it get if he does get off?

I live in the suburbs but I may move to the country if it happens.
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:03 pm to
Repeat
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:04 pm to
Describe the state of the country if truth and justice are sacrificed.
Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:04 pm to
It’s not like the trial is next week
By the time it actually happens it will be mostly forgotten about

Hell, what’s going on now has nothing to do with him now

ETA it’s not *like* the trial is next week
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:05 pm to
Trial wont be until after the election so wont be nuthin
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Describe the state of the country if truth and justice are sacrificed.


Describe the state of the country if a certain populace would take accountability for their communities' problems.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:06 pm to
I’d laugh hard. Like out loud. Not just in my head.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:08 pm to
I won't be surprised if the other cops get off. How are they an accessory to murder but not the people filming it?
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

It’s not the trial is next week
By the time it actually happens it will be mostly forgotten about

Hell, what’s going on now has nothing to do with him now

I imagine the trial won't really happen until next calendar year

definitely after the presidential election

but don't forget that this will be a highly publicized trial... so when it does happen... all the news stations will be replaying the video of the incident and the riots that broke out b/c of it... lots of chances to rekindle those flames

the only question I have at the moment... will the judge allow cameras in the courtroom or not

ETA: this is all of course barring a plea agreement

also... I'm still gonna say the trial (if there is one) gets moved out of Minneapolis to another county halfway across the state

which could also seriously change the jury pool

I've pointed this out already... imagine the anger that will come out if this trial is moved to Todd County, Minn., a county that voted 70%+ for Trump in 2016, or a similar county
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42568 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:09 pm to
We will need a systematic review of how police interact with the public and how they protect their own. A police force is not a military unit in this country by design.
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:09 pm to
I believe my post may have been misconstrued. My point was that the truth should dictate the outcome, as opposed to reaching a result regardless of the truth. If we don't have truth and the rule of law, society will break down.
Posted by ClampClampington
Nebraska
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Granted it will hinge completely on using the medical report to establish doubt as to whether Chauvin's actions were the cause of death,


The distinction between murder and manslaughter is intent. To convict him of 2nd degree murder, the jury will have to conclude that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, but that it was not pre-meditated. That is going to be tough to prove.

Manslaughter was a slam dunk that he serves several years in prison. Now I think it is 50/50 he is aquitted

ETA Skimmed your post and thought you were referring to the trial
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:12 pm to
Opposite OJ reaction

Except it will be burning cities as a form of artistic self expression
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
141200 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

The distinction between murder and manslaughter is intent. To convict him of 2nd degree murder, the jury will have to conclude that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, but that it was not pre-meditated. That is going to be tough to prove.

Manslaughter was a slam dunk that he serves several years in prison. Now I think it is 50/50 he is aquitted

there have been other posts on this board that say Minnesota juries can convict on a lesser charge

ETA: for all I know... a bump up to 2nd degree may have been a ploy by Ellison to try to better his chances at getting a plea deal negotiated so this never sees trial (which would probably be best for the country as a whole)
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260762 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:16 pm to
He's not getting second degree murder. That by itself will probably set off riots.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
66850 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

I believe my post may have been misconstrued. My point was that the truth should dictate the outcome, as opposed to reaching a result regardless of the truth. If we don't have truth and the rule of law, society will break down.


my bad. you gotta upgrade to TD Premium for the sarcasm font.
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
3907 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

there have been other posts on this board that say Minnesota juries can convict on a lesser charge


If they can, Chauvin will go to prison. If it's all or nothing on murder 2, he's got a very good chance to walk away a free man. I'd say 60-40 he walks at this point.

If it's murder 2 or nothing, then the fault lays at Keith Ellison's feet. He's the AG that upgraded the charges to murder 2. Of course, there are many who are saying he did it on purpose hoping for an acquittal. Then we get more protests and upheaval, which is supposedly what he wants.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37334 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

The distinction between murder and manslaughter is intent. To convict him of 2nd degree murder, the jury will have to conclude that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, but that it was not pre-meditated. That is going to be tough to prove.


Negligent homicide is the most likely the slam dunk. It doesn’t fit the narrative, however.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
15554 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:20 pm to
There’s a lesser included statute I believe
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34780 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 1:20 pm to
I don’t see any way he gets off but I think the other 3 do. especially the one who was only on his third day on the job


I expect more riots then
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