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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:28 pm to AUCE05
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:28 pm to AUCE05
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Is that line dependent on an officers judgment?
I'm no expert, but I would assume (or hope) that there would be an objective standard the jury could use to judge the conduct of Chauvin in the use of force.
I appreciate the works cops do, but there's got to be something other than the officer's own judgment otherwise, how do you hold police accountable?
Edit: At the very least, the jury should be allowed to view the video evidence of the entire timeline of the incident and determine for themselves if Chauvin conducted himself in a manner in which they would have conducted themselves if they had been the officer on duty that day.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:31 pm
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:28 pm to Yellerhammer5
He reminds me of Constance Riley
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:30 pm to JodyPlauche
I want to get a beer with this guy.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:31 pm to jlovel7
I think he was about to say that he overheard George say he couldn't breathe while he was still standing, but he caught himself.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:32 pm to Bluefin
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I think he was about to say that he overheard George say he couldn't breathe while he was still standing, but he caught himself.
Yep.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:33 pm to Bluefin
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I think he was about to say that he overheard George say he couldn't breathe while he was still standing, but he caught himself.
I noticed that too and That really doesn't matter. That full video where he says that will be added in as evidence soon enough.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:35 pm to jlovel7
Is this the witness who keeps telling George to comply and that he "can't win" ? Not sure why the State would call him
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:36 pm to dragonNRG45
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Is this the witness who keeps telling George to comply and that he "can't win" ? Not sure why the State would call him
I think to show that he was still coherent and not dazed or combative.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:39 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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timeline of the incident and determine for themselves if Chauvin conducted himself in a manner in which they would have conducted themselves if they had been the officer on duty that day.
Do you then show them videos of what cracked out people on drugs can do if they given a little leeway?
LINK
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:39 pm to MFn GIMP
Well now they're getting into the combative part
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:40 pm to MFn GIMP
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I think to show that he was still coherent and not dazed or combative.
Leave it to the seasoned older gentleman to try and assuage the entire situation while all the younger kids were screaming and hollering and intensifying the situation.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:41 pm to kengel2
Any and all evidence. If I am on the jury and have the decision to make of whether to deny Chauvin his liberty by putting him in prison for a 15 years, I would want to know everything I could about the incident and its circumstances.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:41 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Okay, I misquoted you. Still, it seems weird to give CourtTV the viewership when you know you disagree with them and you have other options.
No worries - chalk it up to morbid curiosity!
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:41 pm to jlovel7
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Leave it to the seasoned older gentleman to try and assuage the entire situation while all the younger kids were screaming and hollering and intensifying the situation.
Well, yea. Due to his age that man has almost certainly experienced real racism from cops and the government.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:44 pm to MFn GIMP
he's yelling "i cant breathe" when he was still in the car.
If someone cant breathe then they cant talk
If someone cant breathe then they cant talk
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:45 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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if Chauvin conducted himself in a manner in which they would have conducted themselves if they had been the officer on duty that day.
That's not really how a reasonableness standard works. It isn't what he or you would do, rather it is what an objectively reasonable person would do in the same situation and whether the action at issue is consistent with that.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:45 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST
We all die of this.
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COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION.
I don’t understand how this was added or what it does.
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understand you aren't happy about it, but that doesn't change the scientific findings
Cardio pulmonary arrest is not very scientific. Not very unhappy?
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Dude's heart was, at some points, up to 90% obstructed, CV19, fentanyl, meth, sickle cell traits plus he spazzed out and overexerted himself.
These can be looked at individually. Heart? Was his troponin elevated? Hid he have a cardiac event. Covid? A slew of inflammatory markers can be looked at as well as a CXR or CT did he have Covid pneumonia? Drugs? What were the levels? Was he high as balls or had he just used within a day or so? Over exerted ? Sure. What’s left out of your list of ailments is the knee on his neck. Are you suggesting that played zero role? Zero....?
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:45 pm to tgrbaitn08
Here comes the tears and "I felt helpless" 
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:46 pm to Tortious
I really don't see how showing that video helps the prosecution at all. He was saying he couldn't breathe before being put on the ground and actually asked to be put on the ground. This entire thing is to get this guy to cry on the stand.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:46 pm to Tortious
quote:In that case he is innocent as hell. The only question in my mind is did he grossly misapply his training. I woulda been sitting on top the out of control drugged up man too.
It isn't what he or you would do, rather it is what an objectively reasonable person would do in the same situation and whether the action at issue is consistent with that.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:47 pm
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