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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:35 pm to ell_13
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:35 pm to ell_13
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Think of it this way. If a drunk driver speeds, gets in a head on collision, and dies from that
Actually in most states if you are drunk and the other person causes the accident. The drunk person is still at fault.
So let's say you aren't speeding, the other person rams into you and dies. You are fricked even if you were just sitting at a red light.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:36 pm to 9Fiddy
I think it all depends on "the person's culpable negligence"
609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;
609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:36 pm to dgnx6
Most likely the jury is a bunch of pussies who put emotion over objectivity. Half of them are white women.... I don’t see a good outcome here
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:37 pm to dgnx6
You’re a dumbass with no reading comprehension, so yeah, we’re lost.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to CptRusty
quote:Not necessarily. They could all be guilty votes. The debate could be guilty of which charge.
They obviously don't all agree right now, otherwise we'd have a verdict, so that means there's at least one not-guilty in the room
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to Tiguar
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You’re a dumbass with no reading comprehension, so yeah, we’re lost.
I've read your posts numb nuts.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to Tiguar
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It could be argued very convincingly that Chauvin consciously made the choice to remain kneeling on someone who became unresponsive, creating a risk for great bodily harm which resulted.
Only if he was culpably negligent in doing so and then Floyd died. If he died due to something else, then continuing to kneel is not causally linked to the death. Like mentioned in the trial, it may look awful but that doesn't make it unlawful.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:40 pm to dgnx6
Good for you, that doesn’t mean you comprehended them, which it’s apparent you didn’t.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:40 pm to 9Fiddy
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I'm pretty sure there won't be a murder conviction, but don't some of the manslaughter rules state all DC had to be to be guilty was a contributing factor? Not even the biggest factor, just a contributing factor.
I think so.
And on top of that I think they only have to prove negligence and not intent.
Don’t know the cops training but to me it seems he was negligent by not administering cpr when Floyd stopped breathing.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:40 pm to TulaneFan
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Half of them are white women.... I don’t see a good outcome here
Bet those white women favor Nelson over the state though.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:41 pm to Poker_hog
quote:He needs to employ the Hillary rule where negligence is not enough.
And on top of that I think they only have to prove negligence and not intent
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:41 pm to Tortious
The statute seems to read they just have to be culpably negligent in Creating the scenario resulting in death, not actually directly cause death.
I agree with the above poster that says it depends on when, if ever, Chauvins actions crossed in negligent behavior.
The state never really focused on arguing that which would have been a lot easier to do than murder.
I agree with the above poster that says it depends on when, if ever, Chauvins actions crossed in negligent behavior.
The state never really focused on arguing that which would have been a lot easier to do than murder.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:44 pm to Tiguar
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Good for you, that doesn’t mean you comprehended them, which it’s apparent you didn’t.
Did you or did you not say you'd be okay with manslaughter 2 and that you think it would have been slam dunk if they went with that?
I'm saying you have doubt regarding drugs in his system, but you still okay with manslaughter.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:45 pm to dgnx6
I’m saying I could see a world where Chauvin actually did commit manslaughter 2, but I don’t think the state proved it.
I think he should be acquitted because the State shouldn’t be rewarded for shitty prosecution but I wouldn’t be like “what the frick” at a MS2 conviction.
I think he should be acquitted because the State shouldn’t be rewarded for shitty prosecution but I wouldn’t be like “what the frick” at a MS2 conviction.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:45 pm to Tiguar
Why would anyone want to be a cop after this? Make one mistake in a high pressure situation, or just get on the wrong side of political bullshite, and you get to spend your life in jail.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:48 pm to Tiguar
Do you live in Minnesota????? If so, how far from the crime scene???
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:48 pm to dgnx6
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So let's say you aren't speeding, the other person rams into you and dies. You are fricked even if you were just sitting at a red light.
Gonna need to see an example of this
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:50 pm to dukke v
Oh yes I live right next to Minnesota cities. Have an apartment right across from the cuppy foods or whatever the frick it is. Yes, Minnesota.
Definitely
Definitely
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:51 pm to Tiguar
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think he should be acquitted because the State shouldn’t be rewarded for shitty prosecution but I wouldn’t be like “what the frick” at a MS2 conviction.
Got it.
I doubt they talked about this but 10s of thousands die every year of opiods that aren't being restrained by cops. It's reasonable to believe he could have died anyway.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:52 pm to Tiguar
So you are saying that you lived right across the street where this happened??????
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