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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:35 pm to
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89829 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:35 pm to
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Think of it this way. If a drunk driver speeds, gets in a head on collision, and dies from that


Actually in most states if you are drunk and the other person causes the accident. The drunk person is still at fault.

So let's say you aren't speeding, the other person rams into you and dies. You are fricked even if you were just sitting at a red light.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:36 pm to
I think it all depends on "the person's culpable negligence"


609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:36 pm to
Most likely the jury is a bunch of pussies who put emotion over objectivity. Half of them are white women.... I don’t see a good outcome here
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:37 pm to
You’re a dumbass with no reading comprehension, so yeah, we’re lost.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80013 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to
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They obviously don't all agree right now, otherwise we'd have a verdict, so that means there's at least one not-guilty in the room
Not necessarily. They could all be guilty votes. The debate could be guilty of which charge.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89829 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to
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You’re a dumbass with no reading comprehension, so yeah, we’re lost.





I've read your posts numb nuts.

Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5732 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to
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It could be argued very convincingly that Chauvin consciously made the choice to remain kneeling on someone who became unresponsive, creating a risk for great bodily harm which resulted.


Only if he was culpably negligent in doing so and then Floyd died. If he died due to something else, then continuing to kneel is not causally linked to the death. Like mentioned in the trial, it may look awful but that doesn't make it unlawful.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:40 pm to
Good for you, that doesn’t mean you comprehended them, which it’s apparent you didn’t.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3651 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:40 pm to
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I'm pretty sure there won't be a murder conviction, but don't some of the manslaughter rules state all DC had to be to be guilty was a contributing factor? Not even the biggest factor, just a contributing factor.


I think so.

And on top of that I think they only have to prove negligence and not intent.

Don’t know the cops training but to me it seems he was negligent by not administering cpr when Floyd stopped breathing.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:40 pm to
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Half of them are white women.... I don’t see a good outcome here


Bet those white women favor Nelson over the state though.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80013 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:41 pm to
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And on top of that I think they only have to prove negligence and not intent
He needs to employ the Hillary rule where negligence is not enough.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:41 pm to
The statute seems to read they just have to be culpably negligent in Creating the scenario resulting in death, not actually directly cause death.

I agree with the above poster that says it depends on when, if ever, Chauvins actions crossed in negligent behavior.

The state never really focused on arguing that which would have been a lot easier to do than murder.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89829 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:44 pm to
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Good for you, that doesn’t mean you comprehended them, which it’s apparent you didn’t.


Did you or did you not say you'd be okay with manslaughter 2 and that you think it would have been slam dunk if they went with that?


I'm saying you have doubt regarding drugs in his system, but you still okay with manslaughter.

Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:45 pm to
I’m saying I could see a world where Chauvin actually did commit manslaughter 2, but I don’t think the state proved it.

I think he should be acquitted because the State shouldn’t be rewarded for shitty prosecution but I wouldn’t be like “what the frick” at a MS2 conviction.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8248 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:45 pm to
Why would anyone want to be a cop after this? Make one mistake in a high pressure situation, or just get on the wrong side of political bullshite, and you get to spend your life in jail.

No thanks.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216476 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:48 pm to
Do you live in Minnesota????? If so, how far from the crime scene???
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:48 pm to
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So let's say you aren't speeding, the other person rams into you and dies. You are fricked even if you were just sitting at a red light.



Gonna need to see an example of this
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:50 pm to
Oh yes I live right next to Minnesota cities. Have an apartment right across from the cuppy foods or whatever the frick it is. Yes, Minnesota.

Definitely
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89829 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:51 pm to
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think he should be acquitted because the State shouldn’t be rewarded for shitty prosecution but I wouldn’t be like “what the frick” at a MS2 conviction.


Got it.

I doubt they talked about this but 10s of thousands die every year of opiods that aren't being restrained by cops. It's reasonable to believe he could have died anyway.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216476 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:52 pm to
So you are saying that you lived right across the street where this happened??????
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