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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:42 am to HodsonTiger13
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:42 am to HodsonTiger13
For the podcasters.
True crime podcasting is a huge market now. I get that. And in a way, I think podcasting has vitalized young journalists who had no future in a moribund print media world. With not much more than a phone, you can freelance in a way that makes Woodward green with envy. And if your show hits, it’s profitable.
But what’s the price for the people involved? To the victim? To the accused?
Take the accused. If the case were tried in an actual courtroom, there are procedures and rules with 500 years of wisdom behind them. There is an impartial arbiter of what is and is not used to discern truth. There is an objective standard of guilt. And MOST importantly. . . there is the cauldron of cross-examination by exacting practitioners trained in its art.
Can a podcaster offer that? Sure, you talk to lots of people. But what are your standards for truth? Do you think a witness will offer you the same level of truth sitting at a Starbucks as he would on the witness stand, where he is told he will go to jail if he lies? And at the end of your story, what is the verdict? How do you definitively resolve the narrative? And if you can’t, what is your podcast but prurient intellectual onanism used by people to distract themselves on the Stairmaster?
You are also allowing witnesses to self-select. They can tell you no. That means that every single person who talks to you gets something out of talking to you. At a trial, every person who knows anything (accused excepted) will have his butt in the witness chair under subpoena, like it or not.
There’s also a subtle compulsion to talk. Take the family. “Hi, I’m Mr podcaster. I’m going to post this on iTunes. Do you want to talk to me?” What’s the family going to say? If they say no, then they worry people will think they are hiding something.
Ok. That’s two cups. Welcome any thoughts.
True crime podcasting is a huge market now. I get that. And in a way, I think podcasting has vitalized young journalists who had no future in a moribund print media world. With not much more than a phone, you can freelance in a way that makes Woodward green with envy. And if your show hits, it’s profitable.
But what’s the price for the people involved? To the victim? To the accused?
Take the accused. If the case were tried in an actual courtroom, there are procedures and rules with 500 years of wisdom behind them. There is an impartial arbiter of what is and is not used to discern truth. There is an objective standard of guilt. And MOST importantly. . . there is the cauldron of cross-examination by exacting practitioners trained in its art.
Can a podcaster offer that? Sure, you talk to lots of people. But what are your standards for truth? Do you think a witness will offer you the same level of truth sitting at a Starbucks as he would on the witness stand, where he is told he will go to jail if he lies? And at the end of your story, what is the verdict? How do you definitively resolve the narrative? And if you can’t, what is your podcast but prurient intellectual onanism used by people to distract themselves on the Stairmaster?
You are also allowing witnesses to self-select. They can tell you no. That means that every single person who talks to you gets something out of talking to you. At a trial, every person who knows anything (accused excepted) will have his butt in the witness chair under subpoena, like it or not.
There’s also a subtle compulsion to talk. Take the family. “Hi, I’m Mr podcaster. I’m going to post this on iTunes. Do you want to talk to me?” What’s the family going to say? If they say no, then they worry people will think they are hiding something.
Ok. That’s two cups. Welcome any thoughts.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:48 am to JudgeHolden
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With not much more than a phone, you can produce clickbait in a way that makes Woodward green with envy
Fixed it for you. This is what passes for "journalism".
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:49 am to JudgeHolden
I agree it hurts Carver. He - according to the affidavits, anyway - stopped the second rape, refused to have sex with Madison and likely has a family begging him to 'flip' to stay out of jail. But, as you said, deal for the one white defendant? Creates a political problem for the DA.
Other politics involved: Sheriff for parish Sid Gautreaux is a white Republican. They did the investigation and wrote up the affidavits.
Baton Rouge Mayor Broome is a black Democrat. She controls the BRPD.
Hillar Moore is a white Democrat elected in a county-wide (Parish) race who has to get a coalition of support both white and black to win.
Is an "O.J. jury" possible? Given the comments on FB (WBRZ and WAFB) it would seem so as African-Americans, especially women, seem 70-80% against conviction when this first came out and the Reggie's video was shown on local media.
But... Washington's two other arrests. Other video. The defense attorneys seem confident in their interviews. Not sure why.
This has ALL the national media push-button 'true crime' issues: race, class, dead white girl, politics.
What do you NOT see on the O-T or even the "Politics" board here? The mention that the City Council of EBR just agreed to pay $1 MILLION+ to protestors of the Sterling shooting years back. That vote had 4 white dissenters.
The true 'media circus' hasn't begun on this.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:55 am to nola tiger lsu
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Fixed it for you. This is what passes for "journalism".
Partly true, but not entirely. And unfair to the better podcasters.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:56 am to HodsonTiger13
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county-wide
Know how I know you ain’t from Gueydan?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:10 am to HodsonTiger13
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Is an "O.J. jury" possible? Given the comments on FB (WBRZ and WAFB) it would seem so as African-Americans, especially women, seem 70-80% against conviction when this first came out and the Reggie's video was shown on local media.
An old Cajun once told me that my mouth was overloading my arse. I think that happens a lot on social media.
Jury trials are designed to give voice to the moderates. They are exacting on the truth finders. They procedurally set it up to avoid a mob mentality.
Don’t equate social media posts with the genius of the jury. Remember, almost every single person ever involved with the justice system, judges included, would choose a jury trial if accused of a crime.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:13 am to JudgeHolden
I hope that's the case but what else could the 'strategy' of the defense lawyers be? Going on news channels spouting out garbage... releasing the video?
Must have been to 'frame the case' in the mind of some jurors?
Or was it just publicity-seeking lunacy?
Grand jury results will tell us a lot about a 'typical jury pool' and what they determine.
Yes, "Parishes" in Louisiana because of the Catholic influence. Surprised the ACLU hasn't sued yet to change that...
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:32 am to HodsonTiger13
I’d say the defense publicity strategy so far has been high risk. And so far, it does not seem to have paid off for Washington.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:33 am to HodsonTiger13
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Yes, "Parishes" in Louisiana because of the Catholic influence. Surprised the ACLU hasn't sued yet to change that...
The ACLU is no match for Cajun canaille. Even that organization knows it’s limits.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 8:37 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
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How long do we expect before we hear if the Grand Jury recommends charges and what they might be? I know this is a guess.
I really don’t know. Only someone who prosecutes regularly would have a feel for that. I’ll have a real prosecutor passing by the house later today. I’ll ask him.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:35 am to tonydtigr
Exactly why intoxication is not a defense - can't carry a fifth around as a get out of jail free card
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:45 am to JudgeHolden
reeks of desperation - I'm choosing to take that as a good sign
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:03 am to TigerKW
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reeks of desperation - I'm choosing to take that as a good sign
There are many ways to read it.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:10 am to JudgeHolden
True - but as the father of a 16 year old who can't wait to get to LSU that's what I'm going with for now
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:43 pm to HodsonTiger13
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it would seem so as African-Americans, especially women, seem 70-80% against conviction when this first came out and the Reggie's video was shown on local media
I read about this case on lipstick alley which is a forum that caters to black women. On that forum, they seem to be pro Madison
I was surprised to say the least
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/17/23 at 5:51 pm to JudgeHolden
If you had to guess, do you think we hear anything today?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:57 pm to clip11
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I was surprised to say the least
To be clear, you are surprised that black woman sympathize with Brooks?
Posted on 2/18/23 at 6:42 am to JudgeHolden
Based on what I've seen so far....yes. I mean, lots of black people, including black women are siding with the males because they are black and the girl was white. That's it.
If it had played out:
A. All parties involved are black then you would see more black females siding with the girl and the men siding with Kaivon and company
B. Suspects are white and girl black, then they side with the girl. And we're assuming that the facts as we know them are exactly the same, just swapping the races. And we wouldn't see whites, especially white women, just siding with the men because they are white. In fact, I would say more whites, especially the women, would more sympathize with the black girl.
If it had played out:
A. All parties involved are black then you would see more black females siding with the girl and the men siding with Kaivon and company
B. Suspects are white and girl black, then they side with the girl. And we're assuming that the facts as we know them are exactly the same, just swapping the races. And we wouldn't see whites, especially white women, just siding with the men because they are white. In fact, I would say more whites, especially the women, would more sympathize with the black girl.
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 6:48 am
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