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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:00 am to Adam Banks
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:00 am to Adam Banks
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Easy for me to say but I think I’d go to trial if this were my daughter
I can imagine that for her parents and grandparents, it's not just the two guys freedom at stake, it's their daughters reputation. If they get found guilty, the public will generally accept that Madison was taken advantage of in an intoxicated state and probably did something that she would not have done sober.
If they are let off the hook, the public perception will be that she was essentially a whore that liked to get gangbanged in the backseat of a car by guys she barely knew while an audience watched.
I'm sure they'll want it taken to trial if the odds of winning are good. If it's iffy or so-so, they may accept the perps being offered a plea bargain.
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:21 am to JudgeHolden
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That means it hurt, probably a lot.
It’s going to be hard for the defense to say she truly consented to very painful sex — twice
I didn't think of that. I'm sure the prosecution will have experts which will testify to that. I'm sure that the medical records detail her anal injuries and they'll likely have a proctologist on hand to talk about how painful those injuries can be and how it's unlikely that anyone would consent to it while in a sound mind.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:24 am to clip11
quote:OJ getting off didn't save his reputation...these kids will always be guilty in the minds of most people...
If they are let off the hook, the public perception will be that she was essentially a whore that liked to get gangbanged in the backseat of a car by guys she barely knew while an audience watched.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:43 am to chalmetteowl
Yeah I don't see that flying if it was back to back. I think you're trying to absolve the 17 year old
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:41 am to Chicken
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OJ getting off didn't save his reputation...these kids will always be guilty in the minds of most people...
True. They would have to leave town if acquitted.
Of course, OJ did not help himself by putting out a book entitled "If I Did It" in which he lays out exactly how he did it as a work of "fiction."
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:00 am to clip11
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Yeah I don't see that flying if it was back to back. I think you're trying to absolve the 17 year old
what are the odds that there were two stone cold demented rapists in the back seat?
The boys all went to the same high school. I’m sure they knew the gossip about Kaivon
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:07 am to chalmetteowl
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what are the odds that there were two stone cold demented rapists in the back seat?
What are the odds that a 17 year old would take advantage of a situation? I'd say that is the question.
Also, they have charged the 28 year old as a principal, right? That means he was "concerned in the commission of a crime" or he aide and abetted its commission, or directly or indirectly counseled or procured another to commit the crime."
He did something other than just sit there, or there would not have charged him as a principal.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:07 am to JudgeHolden
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"If I Did It"
Love how the IF is small and buried in the I. The balls on that guy.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:16 am to clip11
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If they are let off the hook, the public perception will be that she was essentially a whore
I don't think that will ever be the perception of this poor girl.
Did she have a drinking problem...maybe. Did she make bad decisions...yeah probably.
But everyone I know, think she was abandoned by friends and taken advantage of. if that's what happened or not...that seems to be the most thought perception from my viewpoint/friends.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 1:32 pm to JudgeHolden
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Also, they have charged the 28 year old as a principal, right?
carver is also charged as a principal...although throughout the the affidavit/warrant it is spelled "principles"...
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:02 pm to pussywillows
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carver is also charged as a principal...although throughout the the affidavit/warrant it is spelled "principles"...
Right. He drove to the spot of the offense. That's a case for aiding and abetting, which makes him a principal.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:24 pm to chalmetteowl
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what are the odds that there were two stone cold demented rapists in the back seat?
Seems like pretty good odds in this case
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:37 pm to chalmetteowl
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what are the odds that there were two stone cold demented rapists in the back seat?
There are multiple studies that show individuals are much more prone to committing crimes, especially violent crimes, when with other people. Specifically, males are increasingly more likely to commit violent acts when with other males.
One guy already had pending rape allegations against him. When he allegedly began raping a severely intoxicated (by their own words and hacked by her BAC at TOD) girl, the other 2 males had to make a decision. They could stop their friend or they could assume she wouldn’t remember anything or wouldn’t report it and let him continue. It’s not a huge leap to joining in from there.
The injuries from the alleged anal sex tell me there’s no way she consented twice. I seriously doubt she was ok with it the first time after the first tear.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:40 pm to jdd48
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Love how the IF is small and buried in the I. The balls on that guy.
That was actually the Goldman family that made the decision to minimize the word "If" after they received the rights to the book.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:42 pm to chalmetteowl
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what are the odds that there were two stone cold demented rapists in the back seat?
Quite a bit if you understand group dynamics.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:06 pm to chalmetteowl
I grew up around guys like Kaivon and company. Usually birds of a feather flock together. Remember, it was the 17 year old that started it. He asked 5 times for sex? AFTER she had been asked for her address and fell over. Why did he ask 5 times? What were her responses the first 4 times?
If she clearly said yes the first time or even the 2nd time, why continue to ask?
My hunch is that the first 4 times, she didn't respond with any coherent answer and then the 5th time she perhaps nodded or muttered something that could be interpreted as a "yes" or "ok".
Then after he was done and passed her to Kaivon, he asked multiple times with the same effect.
If she clearly said yes the first time or even the 2nd time, why continue to ask?
My hunch is that the first 4 times, she didn't respond with any coherent answer and then the 5th time she perhaps nodded or muttered something that could be interpreted as a "yes" or "ok".
Then after he was done and passed her to Kaivon, he asked multiple times with the same effect.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:10 pm to LSUGrrrl
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The injuries from the alleged anal sex tell me there’s no way she consented twice
I noticed in the affidavit, they didn't mention anything about signs of vaginal penetration. Only anal. I'm guessing that neither guy likely used protection and may have not wanted to risk getting her pregnant. That might be why they had anal as there would be no chance of pregnancy. I'm just guessing though. But the affidavit didn't mention anything about vaginal penetration.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:11 pm to LSUGrrrl
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The injuries from the alleged anal sex tell me there’s no way she consented twice. I seriously doubt she was ok with it the first time after the first tear.
I had heard in this thread the first one wasn’t anal
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:14 pm to JudgeHolden
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He did something other than just sit there, or there would not have charged him as a principal.
Yeah I wondered about him. His involvement might be more than we're being told. I know they likely took DNA from all 4 of them. Wouldn't be surprised if he was part of the actual rape. The same with the driver.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:19 pm to chalmetteowl
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I had heard in this thread the first one wasn’t anal
The affidavit didn't mention anything about vaginal penetration. Only anal. When the coroner examined the body, as far as I know, he didn't mention anything about vaginal penetration. So it leads me to believe that they both had anal sex with her or else there would have been signs of vaginal penetration and semen found in her vagina as well. But the affidavit doesn't mention that.
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