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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:35 pm to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:35 pm to
Cited. Thanks.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:36 pm to
Anything that video shows about her state won’t discount her actual BAC at the time of her death.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:37 pm to
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Anything that video shows about her state won’t discount her actual BAC at the time of her death.


My experience says it will. But that’s just me.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:37 pm to
A close friend of Madi

And with that I am out for the night. Later
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:45 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:37 pm to
I’m explaining why I think Angel was sharing things she actually heard and not making them up on her own even if the source is very unreliable. Part of that is knowing mikelbr would call her out. I know him well enough for that. Good enough?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:38 pm to
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I explained why. Link me to where I trust a rapist.


Most of the affidavit is from the testimony of the accused.

If you’re quoting the affidavit, you’re quoting the accused, with the exception of factual items, such as BAC, when/where she was hit, etc.

As I said, I have no issue with your opinions or theories. Just identify them as such.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:39 pm to
Let’s hope jurors are focused on scientific evidence and not subjective interpretation.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:42 pm to
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I know a video inside that car will be used to argue her state and theirs. Yes. We can know that.



“Will be used to argue” does not equal “shows”

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:42 pm to
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Most of the affidavit is from the testimony of the accused. If you’re quoting the affidavit, you’re quoting the accused, with the exception of factual items, such as BAC, when/where she was hit, etc. As I said, I have no issue with your opinions or theories. Just identify them as such.
I always have. What we know based on the affidavit that I mentioned was that she was around them willingly inside the bar and she left with them willingly outside the bar. That’s not from their statements. It’s from the descriptions and time stamps of the video. And both of those aren’t disputed (anymore).
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:42 pm to
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Cited. Thanks.


I'm just here to help.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:43 pm to
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Let’s hope jurors are focused on scientific evidence and not subjective interpretation.


Really not trying to be that guy, but juries will usually trust what they know more than scientific evidence.

Humans started telling stories about 50,000 years ago. Science came on the scene about 49,700 years later. We are hard wired for narrative, not science.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:46 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:44 pm to
Will be used to show the jury and argued by the attorneys. I stand by what I said. They will show it to show what state they were all in. I’m not saying I know all the details. But there will be visuals and conversations. It WILL reflect their state of mind.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:44 pm to
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Anything that video shows about her state won’t discount her actual BAC at the time of her death.
Just curious, how is that possible?

Couldn't it be said she went elsewhere and drank before she died?

Just asking a question, bc I'm generally curious.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:46 pm to
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Humans have been telling stories for at least 50,000 years ago. Science came on the scene about 49,700 years later. We are hard wired for narrative, not science.
It's why people still believe in The Bible.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:47 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:47 pm to
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It's why people still believe in religion.


I’d say it a little differently.

It’s why myths of all types remain powerful.
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:48 pm to
Here's just from a brief online search what a defense attorney has posted:
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In some cases, blood test results are inaccurate. The possibility that the result is a false positive can raise a reasonable doubt about your guilt. If the sample was taken after alcohol swabs were applied to the skin or if the sample was mixed improperly with a solvent, this could cause a false positive on the test.


LINK

That's just a defense lawyer but it gives you an idea from the press conference they'll want to turn the science into a 'battle of experts.'

If you can't go by the BAC blood test, look at the video. She's walking, she's talking, seems pretty tipsy but not in a stupor, THEY will say.

Judge is pointing that jurors are doubtful of science and experts. They'll trust the video more.

There's something called "metadata" on every photo and video. It's encoded when and where it was created (GPS). It's why kids shouldn't share pics on social media.

They also may be able to GPS track the phones to find exactly the route traveled that night. Can some expert here speak to that?




Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:48 pm to
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she left with them willingly outside the bar.


This is likely true, at least that she willingly planned to leave with them.

She appears to collapse on the median and may have been dragged/carried/helped to the car.

That can be portrayed several ways by the prosecution. I’m not willing to stipulate that her going with them willingly is a fact. It’s likely, however, although I don’t think there is video of her actually getting in the car.

Apparently I just have a much higher standard for facts than you.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36005 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

Couldn't it be said she went elsewhere and drank before she died?

Just asking a question, bc I'm generally curious.



You might want to check out the timeline. I don’t think this is possible.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88151 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:53 pm to
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She appears to collapse on the median and may have been dragged/carried/helped to the car.
You forgot about the other angle didn’t you? Honest question. If there was any video evidence of her possibly being dragged or forced out of the building and with these guys, don’t you think that would have been part of the affidavit? An affidavit doesn’t have to be perfectly accurate by the way. Investigators are allowed some leeway in their interpretation of evidence. Don’t you think something like that would be worth mentioning??
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:55 pm to
And more science problems possible. (The experts hired by the DA's will have to combat all these.)



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Three potential reasons for an erroneous blood test include:

Storage Problem

The typical procedure for a technician to draw blood from a suspect is to use a vacutainer, which is a vacuum sealed device. This seal helps protect the sample from contamination. Every vacutainer has a specific expiration date. If this expiration date passes, it is no longer guaranteed. Due to the routine nature of the task, technicians commonly overlook the step of checking if the expiration date is still valid.

Another potential storage issue is if the seal is faulty. If this is a factor in the collection and storage process, the integrity of the chemicals that are utilized to measure blood alcohol level can be impacted.
Insufficient Amount of Sodium Fluoride

Another reason for an erroneous blood alcohol test is if the proper amount of sodium fluoride is not present when testing. Sodium fluoride is added to the test tube. A slight increase or decrease of this element can cause the blood sample to report a higher result than it really should.

This reason can also be impacted by the aforementioned one. If a seal is not intact, bacteria can make its way to the vial. One common bacterial form is resistant to sodium fluoride. If there is not enough sodium fluoride in the tube, the bacteria can grow in its place and taint the sample.

Insufficient Amount of Potassium Oxalate

Another factor that can impact the results of a blood test is potassium oxalate. If there is not enough of this compound, the blood will clot. When the blood clots, the ratio of liquid to solid is impacted, which can cause an erroneous result that shows the blood alcohol content higher than it is in reality.






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