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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:55 pm to ell_13
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:55 pm to ell_13
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Part of that is knowing mikelbr would call her out.
How would he know if her information is inaccurate, and thus need to call her out?
Why are you using him as some kind of arbiter of truth that allows you to trust rumors of unknown origin?
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:56 pm to JudgeHolden
People are idiots.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Dammit Bjorn, I was hoping someone would help assist me in my laziness. That's why I asked the question. 
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:57 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Glad you saw that too.
How would he know if her information is inaccurate, and thus need to call her out?
Why are you using him as some kind of arbiter of truth that allows you to trust rumors of unknown origin?
Ell is making some bold arse statements in here.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:58 pm to saint tiger225
No problem.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I never once said what she said was true. I keep saying her source is unreliable. My point was that she wasn’t some troll or man pretending to be a mom. She does have kids their age and she was getting info from them. That’s all. Idk why you are harping on it tbh.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:00 am to ell_13
I thought the second video showed her walking with the four stride for stride to the vehicle.
The sprint after them where she appears to stumble at the end was, as JudgeHolden has said, video evidence to contradict the BAC.
Last case I remember that relied on forensics and science was O.J.
What will jurors do with science?
Believe whatever expert confirms their bias.
Look at the divergent take of events just on TD and social media. There's your jury.
The sprint after them where she appears to stumble at the end was, as JudgeHolden has said, video evidence to contradict the BAC.
Last case I remember that relied on forensics and science was O.J.
What will jurors do with science?
Believe whatever expert confirms their bias.
Look at the divergent take of events just on TD and social media. There's your jury.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:00 am to saint tiger225
quote:Not at all.
Ell is making some bold arse statements in here.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:00 am to JudgeHolden
quote:Well said.
I’d say it a little differently.
It’s why myths of all types remain powerful.
I like how you put that.
The way things are worded have a big impact on the way people receive them.
Your way of putting it is much more respectful and would be received a lot better than how I put it.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:02 am to LSUGrrrl
People ARE idiots and this is the quote from the family of Madison today lead story on Fox news nationally: "Rape is rape."
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:02 am to ell_13
I don't know. I guess I was taught you never speak for someone else or put words in their mouth. That's how bullshite gets started.
Different strokes I guess.
Different strokes I guess.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:04 am to ell_13
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You forgot about the other angle didn’t you?
If there’s another angle of her crossing the road and the median, I haven’t seen it.
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f there was any video evidence of her possibly being dragged or forced out of the building and with these guys, don’t you think that would have been part of the affidavit?
I never alleged this and I haven’t seen where anyone else has. Maybe people did very early on when nothing was known.
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An affidavit doesn’t have to be perfectly accurate by the way. Investigators are allowed some leeway in their interpretation of evidence.
This would be considered evidence, but not proof or facts.
A person watching a video and giving their opinion of what transpired is just that - opinion. Especially when narratives are added that can’t be known.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:07 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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This would be considered evidence, but not proof or facts.
Technically, that’s exactly what evidence is.
Relevant evidence is something that makes a fact more or less probable.
I get what you are saying, but once you’ve had Professor Pugh drill that in your head, you don’t forget it.
Also, the affidavit won’t be presented at trial. Either the detective will testify or they’ll show the video.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 12:09 am
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:It’s when they get off the median and go through the parking lot. She’s not being held but walking stride for stride. WAFB had it.
If there’s another angle of her crossing the road and the median, I haven’t seen it.
quote:Someone saying a video shows them going to three different places wouldn’t be an opinion. That same person saying she seemed lucid and friendly would be an opinion. See the difference? They either went to three places or they didn’t. There isn’t any room for interpretation there.
A person watching a video and giving their opinion of what transpired is just that - opinion.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:13 am to JudgeHolden
I think the BAC isn't going to make anything a 'slam dunk' here for prosecution. Too easy to attack with experts.
Who else was in the bar that night? The three people that helped Madison stand up when she stumbled (mentioned in the affidavit). The girl outside who approached the group.
The video outside the bar.
The video inside the car. More competent and capable Madison seems on video - regardless of what the BAC is - be difficult for a jury to discount it.
If the case in Livingston is tried sooner and Washington convicted, or he pleads guilty to avoid the life sentence, how does that effect the dynamics of the EBR case?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:13 am to JudgeHolden
I know you are a judge and I certainly respect that.
But you know that evidence and proof/facts are different things.
The accused’s testimony is evidence. But it’s not a fact. What time she left Reggie’s is evidence. But it’s also a fact.
But you know that evidence and proof/facts are different things.
The accused’s testimony is evidence. But it’s not a fact. What time she left Reggie’s is evidence. But it’s also a fact.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
It’s a fact… based on the evidence… that she was friendly with them inside Reggie’s and that she left willingly with them. We don’t have to keep bashing this out. It’s like 5 days old now and idk why you dispute it.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:16 am to HodsonTiger13
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Last case I remember that relied on forensics and science was O.J.
I’d call OJ an outlier. Garcetti, Clark, and Darden were terrible prosecutors in that case.
The only lesson you can really draw from that case is bad lawyering gets bad results.
Jesus, the glove. What kind of idiot puts the accused fully in control of physical evidence like that? Do you know how many ways that can go wrong?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:16 am to JudgeHolden
quote:Judge is dropping knowledge nukes ITT.
Relevant evidence is something that makes a fact more or less probable.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:18 am to ell_13
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Someone saying a video shows them going to three different places wouldn’t be an opinion.
What if they went to four locations and didn’t show all the video? What if they went to one location twice and it was hard to tell with the video quality and darkness?
I saw the Reggie’s video and it appeared to me that she collapsed and they dragged her.
Is that my opinion, or is it a fact?
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