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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:50 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:50 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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This is the silliest post you have ever made on this board.
Not when you respond to a discussion tree about the impacts of the video with stuff not related to the video.
Also, I'll just post the obvious. Even if all of these videos are released publicly, there will not be a consensus on what the videos show. All these defendants have to do is convince 1 juror the video shows an alleged victim who was coherent enough to consent and there won't be a conviction.
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:52 am to Chad504boy
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How do you not understand and keep going back to "just standing in the middle of the road" when the uber driver hit her and how that doesn't qualify you for any level of stupor you are seeking.
I think that is strong, circumstantial evidence. It is not conclusive.
Look here, buddy boy. I’m not ignoring any evidence. I’m saying what I’ve always said. This case is not a slam dunk. If you think so, well, good for you. But it ain’t.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 10:53 am
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
I just have one question. Have we seen the videos and evidence the prosecution has?
Nakamoto talked to the defense attorneys right?
Nakamoto talked to the defense attorneys right?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:53 am to WaWaWeeWa
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That would make even more sense why she “ran after them”. If she suddenly realizes she doesn’t have her phone she says oh shite there is no way I am getting home. I would probably run after that person too because I knew it was my only hope of getting home.
If you are at a bar that you use to work at and know people that work there and realize you don't have your phone, you think your only hope of getting home is with 4 strangers that don't know you or any of your friends instead of going back into the bar where you know people/workers? If you lose your phone in a bar and go back in and tell one of the workers you lost your phone have no way to get home, they aren't going to say "tough luck, get out". I don't know if it's been confirmed that she had her phone or not, but if she didn't that will help the case against the guy that said she wanted to get out so she could call an Uber.
I'm just now catching up on this thread from yesterday. I'm not sure why people are so upset with Judge. He's telling you how these things go in court and what each side could use for their argument. I've also seen it referenced that she didn't know where she lived, but I remember seeing earlier that she possibly lived in the sorority house and was asking to be dropped off at a friend's house? Again, not confirmed, but that could be why she couldn't remember the address. As for the BAC, I thinnk the only way for them to argue that would be to say that they drank again after they had sex. Not saying it's true or would hold up in court, just thinking of possibilities.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:54 am to JudgeHolden
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If she asked for sex and taunted him, that’s going to be pretty damn strong evidence of consent.
I think it now comes down to how bad the sexual injuries were.
***100% Hypothetical/Speculation***
I'm not trying to get lambasted here, but just wondering about the accusations of hypersexual behavior and the seemingly radical changes in motor skills over a short period of time.
If Madi had previously been diagnosed with a mental illness (such as bi-polar disorder) and was taking meds for that, combined with excessive drinking, could that possibly account for some of the erratic behavior?
I have had some experience with bi-polar disease in my extended family and people off meds or combining alcohol with meds often produced some unpredictable behavior. Not all necessarily bad and sometimes humorous, but other times downright dangerous.
Again, I have no knowledge of Madi's history. Just a few of these leaked details sounded familiar, in a general sense.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:57 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
I just have one question. Have we seen the videos and evidence the prosecution has?
Oh no. Why most people are talking about this in terms of alleged or probably, etc.
All we have is the arrest affidavit and statements by the defense attorneys and Nak.
quote:
Nakamoto talked to the defense attorneys right?
Yes and he's watched some of the videos.
He's seen videos the prosecutors likely haven't, at this point, as well.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Slow could they get into their phones and retrieve videos of deleted sex acts if they are there?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:02 am to tigerskin
Yes. I said the day or 2 after the arrests they were complete idiots if they hadn't already gotten a warrant and downloaded their phones, but, it seems like they may not have (based on how the defense is arguing). They will no doubt, though, analyze everything on those phones for any additional evidence (or crimes), especially Kaivon
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Has it been determined if an uber was actually requested by someone? I was thinking her phone was left at the bar. Is it just an incredible coincidence that she was hit by an uber driver?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:10 am to T
quote:
I was thinking her phone was left at the bar.
This was a claim made by poster BrianFlanagan, who is a restaurant owner in Baton Rouge. He ducked the questioned when asked how he knows this for a fact.
So, at this point, it is just as likely that it was not left at Reggies.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:11 am to LSBoosie
quote:She was there for just a month during the summer. Really good chance in a bar with that much turnover that no one knew her that well.
If you are at a bar that you use to work at and know people that work there
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:14 am to ell_13
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She was there for just a month during the summer. Really good chance in a bar with that much turnover that no one knew her that well.
Yea, just like the 10 second video, too much is being made of her employment there.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:16 am to White Roach
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White Roach
Now that’s an interesting take.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:17 am to tigerskin
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Slow could they get into their phones and retrieve videos of deleted sex acts if they are there?
I think the general rule is if you delete evidence, the jury is told that you did and that they can presume it was unfavorable to you.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:19 am to JudgeHolden
It's really tough to truly delete stuff, especially with so much automatic cloud backup.
Why lots of people are dumb for selling their computers, laptops, and phones without having them professionally cleaned.
Why lots of people are dumb for selling their computers, laptops, and phones without having them professionally cleaned.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
The defendant’s own statements against interest are not hearsay. And I bet these interviews were videotaped. So it’s not like it will be the cops word against theirs. The jury will see them say these things themselves on video:
Casen admitted that the victim was very unstable on her feet, was not able to keep her balance, and was unable to speak clearly without slurring her words.
Casen stated that the victim asked for a ride home and he admitted that he agreed to give her the ride because he did not want to leave her while very intoxicated and the bar was closing.
Casen stated he asked the victim about her friends, but she was “drunk” and did not know where her friends were.
Upon getting in the car, Casen stated “he asked the victim for her address, but she fell over and could not answer him.”
Casen heard juvenile ask 5 times if she wanted to have sex with him.
Casen heard Washington ask numerous times if she wanted to have sex.
Casen stated once he said “we got to stop this, let’s go”
Casen admitted when the sex acts were being performed he felt uncomfortable and hated it.
Casen stated he thought the victim was “drunker” and her speech was slurred.
When asked if the victim was too impaired to consent Casen replied “I guess”
Mr. Washington admitted that (as they walked to the car) the victim did not have her balance and stumbled.
Mr. Washington stated he and his friends had to tell the victim she was pulling on the wrong vehicle’s door handle.
Mr. Washington denied having sex with her ( Now he is saying he did have sex, it was consensual. Why deny if she consented or could consent?)
Scientific Evidence
- Evidence of anal sexual assault
- BAC .319
Video Footage:
1:00 am victim seen sitting on a stool by the counter at the bar. Victim gets up, adjust her pants and then stumbles backwards. Victim gets back on her feet with the help of three individuals.
At 1:34 am, victim is seen sitting on a bench by the bar entrance. Victim is seen getting up and falling. 17 year old suspect is seen walking toward victim and removing her baseball cap. Victim is seen grabbing 17 year old’s hand while getting back on her feet.
1:49 co-defendant, victim and others are seen leaving the bar. 1:51 seen walking to car.
Other known facts:
She couldn’t communicate a place to be dropped off.
She was drunk enough to end up in the road and was run over.
The “contrary” evidence the past few days that have convinced people the case has fallen apart:
An edited WAFB clip showing her crossing the street going after them. The unedited part shows her almost fall, stumbling and the boys assisting her walk. Defense lawyers won’t be able to dismiss that part of the video when coupled with BOTH suspects own statements that she was stumbling, couldn’t keep her balance and slurring her words and opening the wrong cars. Also, coupled with the fact that 17 year old is seen on video picking her up off the floor at 1:34 am (crossing street video is a mere 15 minutes later).
Nakamoto saying he saw videos she did not appear to be held against her will or under duress. A fact that is irrelevant for 3rd degree rape.
Casen admitted that the victim was very unstable on her feet, was not able to keep her balance, and was unable to speak clearly without slurring her words.
Casen stated that the victim asked for a ride home and he admitted that he agreed to give her the ride because he did not want to leave her while very intoxicated and the bar was closing.
Casen stated he asked the victim about her friends, but she was “drunk” and did not know where her friends were.
Upon getting in the car, Casen stated “he asked the victim for her address, but she fell over and could not answer him.”
Casen heard juvenile ask 5 times if she wanted to have sex with him.
Casen heard Washington ask numerous times if she wanted to have sex.
Casen stated once he said “we got to stop this, let’s go”
Casen admitted when the sex acts were being performed he felt uncomfortable and hated it.
Casen stated he thought the victim was “drunker” and her speech was slurred.
When asked if the victim was too impaired to consent Casen replied “I guess”
Mr. Washington admitted that (as they walked to the car) the victim did not have her balance and stumbled.
Mr. Washington stated he and his friends had to tell the victim she was pulling on the wrong vehicle’s door handle.
Mr. Washington denied having sex with her ( Now he is saying he did have sex, it was consensual. Why deny if she consented or could consent?)
Scientific Evidence
- Evidence of anal sexual assault
- BAC .319
Video Footage:
1:00 am victim seen sitting on a stool by the counter at the bar. Victim gets up, adjust her pants and then stumbles backwards. Victim gets back on her feet with the help of three individuals.
At 1:34 am, victim is seen sitting on a bench by the bar entrance. Victim is seen getting up and falling. 17 year old suspect is seen walking toward victim and removing her baseball cap. Victim is seen grabbing 17 year old’s hand while getting back on her feet.
1:49 co-defendant, victim and others are seen leaving the bar. 1:51 seen walking to car.
Other known facts:
She couldn’t communicate a place to be dropped off.
She was drunk enough to end up in the road and was run over.
The “contrary” evidence the past few days that have convinced people the case has fallen apart:
An edited WAFB clip showing her crossing the street going after them. The unedited part shows her almost fall, stumbling and the boys assisting her walk. Defense lawyers won’t be able to dismiss that part of the video when coupled with BOTH suspects own statements that she was stumbling, couldn’t keep her balance and slurring her words and opening the wrong cars. Also, coupled with the fact that 17 year old is seen on video picking her up off the floor at 1:34 am (crossing street video is a mere 15 minutes later).
Nakamoto saying he saw videos she did not appear to be held against her will or under duress. A fact that is irrelevant for 3rd degree rape.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:24 am
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:21 am to LNCHBOX
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Yea, just like the 10 second video, too much is being made of her employment there.
The known important facts are few, but that doesn't stop people from rehashing the same tired crap for days.
There's not really much to discuss in this thread. Hasn't been for days. The other thread (alcohol and consent) should replace this one which is beyond help.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:22 am to LSUFAITHFUL
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And I bet these interviews were videotaped. So it’s not like it will be the cops word against theirs. The jury will see them say these things themselves on video:
For the record, this will be almost nothing like what's in the arrest warrant (which I have been saying).
quote:
Nakamoto saying he saw videos she did not appear to be held against her will or under duress. A fact that is irrelevant for 3rd degree rape.
He also didn't say she was clearly incoherent.
If the videos show she was coherent, communicative, and understanding of her situation then the argument for legal consent grows. The BAC, statements, videos of her stumbling, etc. become much less important compared to her contemporaneous actions around the sex acts.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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It SEEMS like she knew the place by sight, not by specific address. Why they got to the neighborhood and had go try 3 different homes and then she said she'd call an Uber.
There is the possibility that she was aware enough of what just happened to her and she didn't want them to know where she lived or where she was going. She just wanted out of the car.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:23 am to HouseMom
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There is the possibility that she was aware enough of what just happened to her and she didn't want them to know where she lived or where she was going. She just wanted out of the car.
Based on what we know today, this comes off as wishcasting trying to make a horrible situation worse than it already is.
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