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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:52 pm to
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BR hospitals are probably pretty good at dealing with car accident protocol


I hope you are right. Because .319 is going to see pretty damn high for someone seen on video jogging and walking.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:52 pm to
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Would the issue of fermentation come into play?


No. There isn’t yeast in the blood sample and the sample is kept at temperatures where fermentation can’t take place.

The issue of fermentation had absolutely no relevance in this thread. It’s only relevant in highly decomposed bodies.
Posted by FatBaldandGray
Member since Jan 2019
121 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:53 pm to
I was an analytical chemist at a medical lab once upon a time. Think about it like this. The boss asks you to come in for a test the day after you've eaten poppy seed bread. You pee and it goes to the lab. We put your sample through a massive spectrophotometer testing hundreds of samples at a time. If it comes back negative, your employer is notified immediately. Unfortunately your poppy seed bread made you kick back hot for opiates. We then run your pee through a few solvent digestions then analyze it using GC/MS or GC/ITD and ascertain that the metabolites in your sample don't match any illegitimate opiates. Your employer gets a negative result a few days later than your coworkers that were clean. It's the same thing here. I can guarantee that her blood went through a GC/MS that quantified every single thing in it (looking for booze, drugs, and poisons). It can tell the difference between methanol, ethanol, isopropanol, etc.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:54 pm to
Great post.
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
2894 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:54 pm to
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No. There isn’t yeast in the blood sample and the sample is kept at temperatures where fermentation can’t take place.

The issue of fermentation had absolutely no relevance in this thread. It’s only relevant in highly decomposed bodies.


Gotcha. You guys have provided a lot of good info on the BAC stuff that was previously not known in the thread.
Posted by BawWithDaBae
Member since Aug 2022
6 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:55 pm to
BAC is gold standard. Throwing the book at it would open the doors and negate every sobriety checkpoint where one breathalyzed and failed… aka rewrite the law on the “legal limit”.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 9:56 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:55 pm to
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I can guarantee that her blood went through a GC/MS that quantified every single thing in it (looking for booze, drugs, and poisons). It can tell the difference between methanol, ethanol, isopropanol, etc.


Good news. How long would second test take?
Posted by FatBaldandGray
Member since Jan 2019
121 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:56 pm to
No. The tubes have preservatives in them to prevent fermentation.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:56 pm to
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I was an analytical chemist at a medical lab once upon a time. Think about it like this. The boss asks you to come in for a test the day after you've eaten poppy seed bread. You pee and it goes to the lab. We put your sample through a massive spectrophotometer testing hundreds of samples at a time. If it comes back negative, your employer is notified immediately. Unfortunately your poppy seed bread made you kick back hot for opiates. We then run your pee through a few solvent digestions then analyze it using GC/MS or GC/ITD and ascertain that the metabolites in your sample don't match any illegitimate opiates. Your employer gets a negative result a few days later than your coworkers that were clean. It's the same thing here. I can guarantee that her blood went through a GC/MS that quantified every single thing in it (looking for booze, drugs, and poisons). It can tell the difference between methanol, ethanol, isopropanol, etc.



But the defense lawyer said the BAC was inaccurate!

And ell’s lawyer friend said they could have swabbed wrong and Judge saw a 10 second video of her walking!
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88152 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:57 pm to
You don’t have to keep posting bullshite like that just so you get attention. Especially when the thread is going smoothly for almost a whole page.
Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
2894 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

I was an analytical chemist at a medical lab once upon a time. Think about it like this. The boss asks you to come in for a test the day after you've eaten poppy seed bread. You pee and it goes to the lab. We put your sample through a massive spectrophotometer testing hundreds of samples at a time. If it comes back negative, your employer is notified immediately. Unfortunately your poppy seed bread made you kick back hot for opiates. We then run your pee through a few solvent digestions then analyze it using GC/MS or GC/ITD and ascertain that the metabolites in your sample don't match any illegitimate opiates. Your employer gets a negative result a few days later than your coworkers that were clean. It's the same thing here. I can guarantee that her blood went through a GC/MS that quantified every single thing in it (looking for booze, drugs, and poisons). It can tell the difference between methanol, ethanol, isopropanol, etc.


The OT never fails to deliver.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88152 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:59 pm to
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The tubes have preservatives in them to prevent fermentation.
Also interesting… and more accurate than the previous response to that post.
Posted by FatBaldandGray
Member since Jan 2019
121 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:59 pm to
They had the results within hours. They wouldn't have let those organs go without a total tox panel.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10827 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:59 pm to
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How the hell did y’all get off on this tangent?



Apparently a few people are concerned about their future chances of having sex after seeing a girl with a .319 BAC level isn’t automatically passed out.

Or concerned statue of limitations has not passed yet…

If one wants to rely on a grainy video of a drunk girl briefly running before stumbling and being held up as reasonably doubt on whether or not they should have known how drunk the girl was here is a tip: after sex that doesn’t take 5 or more attempts to get a yes, get her home or to friends safely like promised, show her at least a little respect while getting her home, and then you will not have to keep trying to explain away a .319 BAC taken after being admitted into ER an hour after leaving bar with you and less than hour after having sex with you not mention why you left on a street in that condition like a typical rapist.




This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:02 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:00 pm to
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You don’t have to keep posting bull shite like that just so you get attention. Especially when the thread is going smoothly for almost a whole page


I’m not going to post anymore on it but I want you to realize that you and judge took us on a 10 page tangent that only the suspect’s dumbass defense lawyer would believe. Even someone with an average IQ knows this BAC was accurate, we didn’t need to do a literature review to prove it.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:00 pm to
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Judge saw a 10 second video of her walking!
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But the defense lawyer said the BAC was inaccurate!


And so will his expert.


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Judge saw a 10 second video of her walking!


And so will a jury. I’ve tried a lot of expert cases. Juries rarely understand the science. They decide cases on what they know. And most people will think you can’t walk with a .319 BAC. Visuals often matter more than numbers on paper.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:01 pm
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:02 pm to
I thought Carver would be the weak link and most likely to deal to press the other three.

But look at the 'race politics' of EBR. You'd have an elected DA cutting a 'sweetheart deal' for the one white defendant to get more severe penalties for the three blacks.

Regardless Carver didn't get in back and rape as the other 2 (18 and 17) young guys did, you've still got racial politics at play.

Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
2894 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:02 pm to
Now we need a Medical Examiner to come in the thread to break down the line from the affidavit "evidence of previous sexual assault anally".

Surely this is referring to the rape episode preceding her death and not some odd note about previous scarring in her rectum that could have come from a multitude of things. No?

Seems that note was to clearly indicate trauma in her anus resulting from rape.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:03 pm to
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Even someone with an average IQ knows this BAC was accurate, we didn’t need to do a literature review to prove it.


I think you are right. Someone who believes the BAC is bulletproof in front of a jury has an average IQ.

The defense lawyers have said they are attacking the BAC. It’s worth discussing.
Posted by lctiger
Member since Oct 2003
3432 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:03 pm to
Prosecutions lab expert will have the science on his side
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