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re: Dayton, OH bar mass shooting - 10 dead, 27 wounded
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:10 am to cigsmcgee
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:10 am to cigsmcgee
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buts that not really the main issue, is it?
Well, you're not looking for the main issue. You're looking to fit the issue into your own understanding so you can ban shite.
We overmedicate children, subject them to media violence at 24/7 access, have destroyed the nuclear family, give notoriety to mass murders, and you think the issue is simply the firearms.
You're not looking for any solutions.
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:10 am to Obtuse1
quote:For real? Someone said that?
They did remove a post in this thread that called for the shooting of an entire group based on their political beliefs.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:11 am to cigsmcgee
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and specific loopholes that are easily exploited.
No there isn't. There are no loopholes if you own a fully function military weapon because a fully functional M16, for example, would have select-fire that includes full auto. There are very few fully auto firearms left that you can legally own and that number decreases every year as some are stolen (by criminals) or lost/destroyed.
If you were to buy one you are looking at $30K for the weapon and a very extensive process with the ATF. No one committing a mass shooting is going to do any of this so quit with your bullshite.
Mass shooters are buying the $550 Colt AR special from Academy and the like. Those are very far from military weapons.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger, another thing to remember is that if you actually look at the mass shootings since day 2000 or so, almost none would have been stopped by a universal background check. Either the shooter DID pass a background check or the weapons were obtained some
Other way
Wapo had an article on this a few years back that I can’t find.
Such laws would be pretty damn ineffective. Any meaningful law to attempt to bring down mass shootings would require far more invasive techniques
Other way
Wapo had an article on this a few years back that I can’t find.
Such laws would be pretty damn ineffective. Any meaningful law to attempt to bring down mass shootings would require far more invasive techniques
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We overmedicate children, subject them to media violence at 24/7 access, have destroyed the nuclear family, give notoriety to mass murders, and you think the issue is simply the firearms.
You're not looking for any solutions.
The left, where nothing is ever about the human state of being, but about the objects that surround that state of being.
Objects cant ever be good or bad, humans determine that.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:14 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Such laws would be pretty damn ineffective.
this is correct.
Really, the only way to fix the mass murder situation is to fix people. Timothy McVey didn't use a firearm and killed over a hundred.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We overmedicate children, subject them to media violence at 24/7 access, have destroyed the nuclear family, give notoriety to mass murders, and you think the issue is simply the firearms.
This exactly.
We also teach kids that they are all winners and when they leave school they realize that in life that isn't the case. We have raised some self-loathing narcissists and they can't cope with how society truly functions.
Society has changed and caused this more than anything else. I graduated from high school in '98. I can remember people hunting before school and leaving their rifles in their trucks. Never once worried about what might happen.
Can't trust in that anymore.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:15 am to cigsmcgee
Can’t you see that anyone who owns an assault rifle can become a mass shooter at any time?
It’s time to give them up. The founding fathers owned muskets not machine guns
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:15 am to cigsmcgee
quote:
and specific loopholes that are easily exploited.
What loopholes are you talking about?
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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you think the issue is simply the firearms.
i certainly think limiting availability and production of certain kinds of weapons would be an quicker solution than trying to fix some of the other issues you listed.
those are lost causes or out of political control.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:16 am to tiggerthetooth
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The left, where nothing is ever about the human state of being, but about the objects that surround that state of being.
yeah, if anything we overmedicate kids and use media as substitutes for parenting.
There's real solutions to the wave of younger people going on murder rampages, but people want political solutions, not practical ones.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:16 am to cigsmcgee
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:16 am to tgrbaitn08
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Yeah but looks how scary that second one looks. It must be military grade
I could just see an Army Ranger out in Iraq trying to fight with a Bushmaster firing .223 they bought off the shelf at Walmart
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:17 am to KurtRussell
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For real? Someone said that?
Indeed they did.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:17 am to cigsmcgee
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i certainly think limiting availability and production of certain kinds of weapons would be an quicker solution than trying to fix some of the other issues you listed.
It would not stop mass shootings. I'm not sure why you cannot understand this.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:18 am to cigsmcgee
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i certainly think limiting availability and production of certain kinds of weapons
Which weapons?
A sawed-off shotgun in a crowded space would do way more damage than a semi-auto rifle.
So what do you want to limit?
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:19 am to Obtuse1
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They did remove a post in this thread that called for the shooting of an entire group based on their political beliefs.
Can you give us details on who said that and which political party they referenced? Because there were also several similar posts yesterday
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:20 am to Klark Kent
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You really seem to be pushing a lot of hate towards CC, why? Do you really expect a CC citizen with a 9mm to go toe to toe with an AK47?
I'm pro concealed carry and frick yeah I expect them to go "toe to toe" with an ak-47 and here's why.
Because every goddamn one of them argue the legitimacy of concealed carry by saying that if school teachers were armed, they could save lives. That if college professors were armed, they could save lives. That if more people carried guns in public, they could save lives.
Well not one of them saved a life yesterday and you won't convince me that a West Texas Walmart didn't have at least a couple of armed men in it.
Intervention in shite like this is a base cornerstone of the concealed carry argument and everyone knows it. This isn't new.
So yes, if the conceal carry contingent is going to use the mitigation of public death as a reason to carry a
glock, then frick yeah I expect them to step up. Especially since they all fricking fantasize about it.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:20 am to stout
Here come the people demanding sweeping changes based on emotion
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:21 am to Cosmo
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Here come the people demanding sweeping changes based on emotion
And no facts or understanding about firearms
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