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Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:12 am to Lsuhoohoo
Damn the sound wall fricked them. That was a pretty great landing with all the obstacles. RIP
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:32 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Don't think so. They were coming down FAST and the gear (if not destroyed by the initial impact) would have fricked their shite up in that soft, wet grass.
Barrier or no barrier that was gonna be a tough one to walk away from. Miraculous that 3 did.
Juan Browne (a long haul airliner pilot) on the blancolirio YT channel thinks that the impact with the barrier likely killed the pilots. He doesn't say they would have survived, but he does think that with the right wing clipping the wall, the plane was spun into the wall killing the pilots.
It is a miracle three survived for sure.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:44 am to Lsuhoohoo
Wild
Posted on 2/13/24 at 5:21 am to Lsuhoohoo
Endangered the lives of all the motorists but yeah heroes
Posted on 2/13/24 at 5:23 am to Lsuhoohoo
Crazy. Imagine that happening right in front of you
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:03 am to Proximo
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Endangered the lives of all the motorists but yeah heroes
This is a moronic statement. Their engines went out at 1100 feet and 115 knots. How much time you think they had and would you have preferred they crash into houses?
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:20 am to VernonPLSUfan
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Don't know if that would have helped the pilots.
The death of the pilots likely occurred when the front end of the fuselage slammed into the sound retaining wall as the aircraft spun around. They were *hopefully* dead before the fuel inferno.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:28 am to MardiGrasCajun
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Compilation video...
Man, some of those drivers really did not give a frick and weren't going to let a crashed plane get in the way of their commute.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:30 am to baldona
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I know they likely did the right thing but is an interstate really a wise choice?
Yes. When training for engine out emergencies, in densely populated areas, roads offer a potentially straight place to land, away from buildings. This gives you the best chance of landing with a minimal loss of life if you hit something.
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few canals
Water is a last resort.
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a golf course
The only thing you’re landing on a golf course fairway is a single piston engine.
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etc
The only thing better than a road in the middle of a day would be a wide open field or a runway. Neither of which was an option for these pilots at that altitude.
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busy interstate while a long flat spot seems almost imminent to run into a vehicle?
In theory yes. But cars have the ability to stop or swerve in most cases. Houses, and people in them do not.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:33 am to Marta1907
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That jet did not runout of fuel!
I bet they had fuel starvation due to a malfunction though. Dual engine failure is unheard of.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:07 am to Meauxjeaux
On the pilot forum, they were commenting on the video of the people escaping from the plane and how it was likely that, had the flight attendant also been incapacitated, those passengers would have had no idea how or at least wouldn’t have thought to get out through the luggage compartment. The age of the flight attendant was in an article.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:12 am to chew4219
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I bet they had fuel starvation due to a malfunction though. Dual engine failure is unheard of.
Im not a commercial pilot but i seem to recall reading about similar situations where one engine goes down and the good engine was shut down mistakenly during the emergency procedures. Not saying thats the case here but when you lose both engines its very rare like you said.
These pilots almost pulled off the impossible. The fact that 3 survived in the back is a miracle.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:13 am to chew4219
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I bet they had fuel starvation due to a malfunction though. Dual engine failure is unheard of.
Would you have fuel starvation on both engines?
Possibly they lost one engine and in the heat of the battle turned off the fuel to the running engine.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:23 am to Zakatak
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Im not a commercial pilot but i seem to recall reading about similar situations where one engine goes down and the good engine was shut down mistakenly during the emergency procedures. Not saying thats the case here but when you lose both engines its very rare like you said.
There was an USAF/cia bombardier global crash in Afghanistan a few years ago where that happened. One engine had an issue and the crew mistakenly shutdown the wrong engine.
The voice recorder on the Naples one sounds like they actually lost both engines from some actual issue and not a procedure mistake.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:29 am to RedFoxx
And given the energy state in naples there was zero chance to try a re-light.
A lot of people questioning the pilot’s decision to use the interstate don’t understand that they didnt have options with how quick they needed to react. Only worse timing would be losing both engines just after takeoff. No options but straight ahead.
A lot of people questioning the pilot’s decision to use the interstate don’t understand that they didnt have options with how quick they needed to react. Only worse timing would be losing both engines just after takeoff. No options but straight ahead.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:30 am to RedFoxx
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There was an USAF/cia bombardier global crash in Afghanistan a few years ago where that happened. One engine had an issue and the crew mistakenly shutdown the wrong engine.
that happened here too, I believe.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:32 am to Zakatak
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And given the energy state in naples there was zero chance to try a re-light.
Oh, 100%. I think they were at 1800ft when they both went out. At that altitude you don’t have much time to do anything.
The crew, RIP, did the best anyone could do in that situation.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:23 am to LegendInMyMind
If Option A isn't your answer, you're not a man
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:26 am to 0x15E
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Water is a last resort.
What if they hit a semi truck and caused a major pileup and killed 10 people on the ground? I don't think we'd be saying the same thing.
They likely did a great job, they also got lucky.
Like I said if you look at the map overview there are a lot of lakes and canals around there. They had their wheels down which causes loss of airspeed, wheels up may have given them enough distance to make water. I'm not trying to second guess them, the only people to die was the pilots themselves so they very likely did make the absolute best of the situation.
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