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re: Dallas County Commissioners vote to require masks in all businesses until early August
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:23 pm to lsunurse
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:23 pm to lsunurse
Ok great, your health isn't my responsibility as a private citizen. Don't want to risk exposure, don't go out its pretty simple. Same with getting in a car accident, getting shot, etc, etc.
Again, if its your business and you tell me I need to wear one to come in, no problem.
This is clearly the biggest abuse of government overreach in my lifetime, and some people just want to say "its not a big deal, its just a mask." What is the objective hard stop the government has in controlling what you wear, what you can do, or where you can be?
2 people died in Dallas County the day this ordinance was passed. Two.
Again, if its your business and you tell me I need to wear one to come in, no problem.
This is clearly the biggest abuse of government overreach in my lifetime, and some people just want to say "its not a big deal, its just a mask." What is the objective hard stop the government has in controlling what you wear, what you can do, or where you can be?
2 people died in Dallas County the day this ordinance was passed. Two.
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Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:27 pm to flyingtexastiger
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Even if I am in your 48 hour asymptomatic zone I am not going to crowd you, breathe on you, cough/spit on you, rub up on you or otherwise invade your space.
Really? I've been in a few situations the past week where I leaned in next to someone to look at something they were showing me on their phone. It happens. Maybe I'm asymptomatic or they are, who knows.
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:36 pm to Zappas Stache
OK, please keep us updated on whether you or they contract the virus.
My point exactly. The scenario you referenced is taking place multiple millions of times each day in the US and the virus is not being transmitted that way, or we would have been overrun long before now.
From Day 1 science has been telling you that the number under the curve is not going to change with this virus. Sheltering in place , social distancing and wearing a mask properly to prevent spread are all great measures to flatten the curve. It worked. This is what success looks like .
My point exactly. The scenario you referenced is taking place multiple millions of times each day in the US and the virus is not being transmitted that way, or we would have been overrun long before now.
From Day 1 science has been telling you that the number under the curve is not going to change with this virus. Sheltering in place , social distancing and wearing a mask properly to prevent spread are all great measures to flatten the curve. It worked. This is what success looks like .
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:40 pm to lsunurse
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The situation in AZ is getting worse by the day. Too many idiots out there acting like overgrown toddlers thinking wearing a mask means they support a specific political party. Whining how they can’t tolerate a damn mask for an hour when numerous people have been wearing them every day for hours and have been fine.
Well if one thing is certain, it’s that taking a one-size-fits-all approach to this is the right thing to do
Glad you’ve proven, without a doubt, that a lack of masks is the reason things are “worse by the day”. You could be the next Dr. Birx.
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:45 pm to tigerinthebueche
It’s not just masks
It’s a combination of things. Masks, social distancing, staying home when you are sick.
Stuff the public has been told they should be doing. But many have become defiant cause they are letting their political beliefs dictate their actions.
And things in AZ are bad because our governor opened our state back up before we should have considering our numbers were always behind many other states. Yet we fully opened back up before others. And the bars and clubs were packed like the virus never existed.
It’s a combination of things. Masks, social distancing, staying home when you are sick.
Stuff the public has been told they should be doing. But many have become defiant cause they are letting their political beliefs dictate their actions.
And things in AZ are bad because our governor opened our state back up before we should have considering our numbers were always behind many other states. Yet we fully opened back up before others. And the bars and clubs were packed like the virus never existed.
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:53 pm to flyingtexastiger
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The scenario you referenced is taking place multiple millions of times each day in the US and the virus is not being transmitted that way, or we would have been overrun long before now.
Cases and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly in many states that opened back up before the curve was flattened.
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Sheltering in place , social distancing and wearing a mask properly to prevent spread are all great measures to flatten the curve. It worked.
Many states opened back up before the curve was flattened and cases and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly. That's what political oriented decisions look like.
This post was edited on 6/20/20 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 6/20/20 at 11:04 pm to Zappas Stache
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Cases and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly in many states that opened back up before the curve was flattened
Cases, yes. Hospitalizations, not really.
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Many states opened back up before the curve was flattened and cases and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly.
Who cares if cases are increasing? People can now go to Walgreens and get a test. I personally know more than a half dozen people that were tested for one reason or another that were positive with no symptoms. Are we just going to stay shut down until everyone has had it?
You're old and worried, I get it. Stay home. I'm young and have a greater chance of dying in a car wreck.
This post was edited on 6/20/20 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 6/20/20 at 11:29 pm to lsunurse
The reason for the shut down- or so we were told- was to not overwhelm the hospitals. The virus is going to do what It does regardless. Sheltering in place only prolonged the inevitable. And that was what they wanted to do so they could get better prepared to handle the Covid patients.
Blaming the reopening for the increased cases is a bit disingenuous. The infections were going to happen eventually because we have no vaccine. We weren’t going to stay indoors until a vaccine was available. Despite what some of you may have wanted.
This spike is the result, to some extent, of not letting the virus run it’s course three months ago. Talk about politicizing shite? You’re just as guilty as anyone else. You’re blaming a politician for something that was inevitable. It’s no different than blaming the government for the annual flu.
You’re still stuck on preventing cases when that was never the point of the shut down.
Blaming the reopening for the increased cases is a bit disingenuous. The infections were going to happen eventually because we have no vaccine. We weren’t going to stay indoors until a vaccine was available. Despite what some of you may have wanted.
This spike is the result, to some extent, of not letting the virus run it’s course three months ago. Talk about politicizing shite? You’re just as guilty as anyone else. You’re blaming a politician for something that was inevitable. It’s no different than blaming the government for the annual flu.
You’re still stuck on preventing cases when that was never the point of the shut down.
This post was edited on 6/20/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 12:32 am to tigerinthebueche
The point of the shutdown was to not overwhelm the healthcare system
The healthcare system in AZ right now is starting to get a little overwhelmed. AZ not only has more cases now, they also have more deaths and more hospitalizations and ICU needs for COVID patients. Also the percentage of positives of tests done has tripled in the past few weeks. We used to sit at 5-6% positivity....we are now at 18%
That may not be the case where you live and maybe it’s just more cases cause more testing.
I’m telling you that is NOT the case in AZ. shite is getting real here.
The healthcare system in AZ right now is starting to get a little overwhelmed. AZ not only has more cases now, they also have more deaths and more hospitalizations and ICU needs for COVID patients. Also the percentage of positives of tests done has tripled in the past few weeks. We used to sit at 5-6% positivity....we are now at 18%
That may not be the case where you live and maybe it’s just more cases cause more testing.
I’m telling you that is NOT the case in AZ. shite is getting real here.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 6:50 am to lsunurse
Unless it is a N95 masks do no good at all. Not sure N95 masks are available to the public. 
Posted on 6/21/20 at 7:37 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I prefer Rich Lowry's take on all this.
An irony of the coronavirus debate is that the more successful lockdowns are in squelching the disease, the more vulnerable they will be to attack as unnecessary in the first place. A rising chorus on the right is slamming the shutdowns as a panicked overreaction and agitating to end them, hoping to drive a wedge between President Trump and his more cautious advisers.
While there’s no doubt there have been absurd lockdown excesses, and we should want to return to normal as soon as plausible, the case against the initial shutdowns is weak, contradictory and based on denying the seriousness of COVID-19. A good example of the genre was an op-ed coauthored by former Education Secretary William Bennett and talk-radio host Seth Leibsohn, headlined “Coronavirus Lessons: Fact and Reason vs. Paranoia and Fear.” Bennett and Leibsohn are public-spirited, intelligent men, but they have got this wrong and in rather elementary ways. They cite the latest University of Washington estimate that the current outbreak will kill 68,000 people. Then, they note that about 60,000 people died of the flu in 2017-18. For this, they thunder, we’ve scared Americans and imposed huge economic and social costs on the country. Their reasoning is obviously flawed.
If we are going to have 60,000 deaths with people not leaving their homes for more than a month, the number of deaths obviously would have been higher — much higher — if everyone had gone about business as usual. We didn’t lock down the country to try to prevent 60,000 deaths; we locked down the country to limit deaths to 60,000 from what would have been a number multiples larger. By Bennett and Leibsohn’s logic, we could just as easily ask: Why did we adopt tough-on-crime policies when crime rates are at historic lows? Why did we work so hard to find a treatment for HIV when so many of the people with the disease now have normal life expectancies? Of course, it was precisely the actions we took that caused those welcome outcomes. If we had shut down the country a month sooner and there had been, say, only 2,000 deaths, then on their terms they’d have even a stronger argument, that is: “We did all this, and there were only a couple of thousand fatalities?”
In other words, the more effective a lockdown would have been, the more opposed Bennett and Leibsohn would be to it.
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An irony of the coronavirus debate is that the more successful lockdowns are in squelching the disease, the more vulnerable they will be to attack as unnecessary in the first place. A rising chorus on the right is slamming the shutdowns as a panicked overreaction and agitating to end them, hoping to drive a wedge between President Trump and his more cautious advisers.
While there’s no doubt there have been absurd lockdown excesses, and we should want to return to normal as soon as plausible, the case against the initial shutdowns is weak, contradictory and based on denying the seriousness of COVID-19. A good example of the genre was an op-ed coauthored by former Education Secretary William Bennett and talk-radio host Seth Leibsohn, headlined “Coronavirus Lessons: Fact and Reason vs. Paranoia and Fear.” Bennett and Leibsohn are public-spirited, intelligent men, but they have got this wrong and in rather elementary ways. They cite the latest University of Washington estimate that the current outbreak will kill 68,000 people. Then, they note that about 60,000 people died of the flu in 2017-18. For this, they thunder, we’ve scared Americans and imposed huge economic and social costs on the country. Their reasoning is obviously flawed.
If we are going to have 60,000 deaths with people not leaving their homes for more than a month, the number of deaths obviously would have been higher — much higher — if everyone had gone about business as usual. We didn’t lock down the country to try to prevent 60,000 deaths; we locked down the country to limit deaths to 60,000 from what would have been a number multiples larger. By Bennett and Leibsohn’s logic, we could just as easily ask: Why did we adopt tough-on-crime policies when crime rates are at historic lows? Why did we work so hard to find a treatment for HIV when so many of the people with the disease now have normal life expectancies? Of course, it was precisely the actions we took that caused those welcome outcomes. If we had shut down the country a month sooner and there had been, say, only 2,000 deaths, then on their terms they’d have even a stronger argument, that is: “We did all this, and there were only a couple of thousand fatalities?”
In other words, the more effective a lockdown would have been, the more opposed Bennett and Leibsohn would be to it.
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 7:39 am to Armymann50
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Unless it is a N95 masks do no good at all. Not sure N95 masks are available to the public
Yeah you don’t know what you are talking about at all.
N95 only needed in certain situations...that are not happening in general public. Situations where the virus is temporarily aerosolized. Ex: intubating a patient, a patient on bipap, doing chest compressions on a patient, etc.
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 7:41 am
Posted on 6/21/20 at 7:43 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I rented a car in Dallas county yesterday, there was a sign on the door "no mask no service" I had one so I put it on.
Drove 40 miles north to Greenville Texas and went in a Racetrack "with mask", everyone looked at me like I was the puss
I ask the cashier about it she said no one wears them and that was city stuff so whatever.
Drove 40 miles north to Greenville Texas and went in a Racetrack "with mask", everyone looked at me like I was the puss
I ask the cashier about it she said no one wears them and that was city stuff so whatever.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 1:22 pm to The Torch
Not sure if rural Texas should be a benchmark.
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