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re: Dallas area hospitals are starting to require all staff get Covid vaccine...
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:13 am to Crawdaddy
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:13 am to Crawdaddy
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Once FDA approved then it will be mandatory
EUA - The govt has full control over the vaccines
FDA - The pharmaceutical companies have full control over the vaccine
REALITY- the pharmaceutical companies and the government are functionally the same thing.
fify
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 11:13 am
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:14 am to Burt Reynolds
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Either way, good luck boycotting hospitals.
I hate this rationale. The state creates monopolies for hospitals through their control of 'certificates of need'. So do consumers have a choice of hospitals? Sure! Just pick which state issued monopoly you want to do business with...... If you think that healthcare in the United States is a 'free market' then I have a bridge to sell you.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:17 am to the_watcher
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I can be 100% against companies requiring vaccines but put that aside so that a life has a better chance of being saved by not traveling further in the middle of an emergency to appease my personal beliefs
Sounds about right. I knew your type would go groveling back to the hospitals once you need it.
Facilities are at financial risk at getting paid a lower DRG for hospital acquired infections. Vaccination is one of the best ways to prevent that. Facts don’t care about your feelings sweetheart.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:19 am to Big Block Stingray
Does anyone want to be treated by an unvaccinated nurse? If so, you're probably the type not to go to the hospital in the first place.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:19 am to WDE24
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Agree, but I also understand if an employer, who got shut down and lost millions due to previous outbreaks, decided to require vaccination for its workers.
With all the unemployment issues, inflation, and material shortages causing employers hell in 2020 and 2021, you want to solely focus on people not being vaccinated and a potential maybe wave knocking out their production, again?
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It could. I’m not aware of that happening in recent memory and causing a shortage.
How many more times will this hypothetical meat manufacturing plant get hit with a production stopping COVID outbreak?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:20 am to Klark Kent
quote:Also historically it's been a long time since we've had an outbreak like this (regardless of how inconsequential some think it is, it's still significant). Combined with the decades-long march toward more scrutiny as far as liability and risk management in general, things have come to a head.
But historically, we’ve never been this diligent in managing risk in terms of employees personal health decisions in jobs where it doesn’t make sense.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:20 am to Burt Reynolds
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Facts don’t care about your feelings sweetheart.
now this is just hilarious coming from you Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:23 am to Korkstand
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Also historically it's been a long time since we've had an outbreak like this (regardless of how inconsequential some think it is, it's still significant).
something we tend to lose sight of. in comparison to other “pandemics” this is a drop in the pan from a death rate %.
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Combined with the decades-long march toward more scrutiny as far as liability and risk management in general, things have come to a head.
no argument here. a highly polarized society also isn’t helping.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:23 am to Klark Kent
quote:I don’t understand this question at all. Where did I even hint that people not being vaccinated should be the sole focus here. You understand that knocking out production and employee shortages are a large reason there is inflation and material shortages causing employers hell, right?
With all the unemployment issues, inflation, and material shortages causing employers hell in 2020 and 2021, you want to solely focus on people not being vaccinated and a potential maybe wave knocking out their production, again?
I think you are arguing against your assumptions of what you think I said versus any point I’ve actually made in this thread.
quote:Hopefully, none.
How many more times will this hypothetical meat manufacturing plant get hit with a production stopping COVID outbreak?
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:27 am to WDE24
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Hopefully, none.
what would you say the odds are of it happening again in this hypothetical situation? considering, that these folks have some COVID antibodies in their system and a decent portion of them likely got vaccinated.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:32 am to Klark Kent
quote:how and why would I attempt to place odds on this with the information available?
what would you say the odds are of it happening again in this hypothetical situation?
It has little to do with what I’ve said in this thread.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:35 am to Klark Kent
Y'all are all speaking like the vaccine is effective. I just wish there qas some proof.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:37 am to Big Block Stingray
I don’t have any issue with this. Besides the fact that it’s a private company that can make whatever rules they want you are around sick people all the time and it seems like a no brainer. Pretty sure they can require the flu vaccine too
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:42 am to CharlieFoxtrot
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it won't influence my decision if/when it obtains FDA approval - I won't be getting it regardless of FDA approval or not. For that matter, I've never had, nor will have, an annual flu vaccination either
#sobrave
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:43 am to cbr900racer22
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Y'all are all speaking like the vaccine is effective. I just wish there qas some proof.
Something like 98% of Covid patients in the hospital currently are unvaccinated. There’s your proof
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:49 am to WDE24
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how and why would I attempt to place odds on this with the information available?
interesting. one might say, it’s not logical to ostracize your employees over a vaccine. of which they’ve had, what 9 months to get on their own? all for a risk that you can’t quantify. when as stated above, you already likely have bigger fish to fry due to the effects COVID has had on the economy.
so pushing for employers to mandate vaccines in non healthcare fields, i wouldn’t. but what do i know, i’m one of those barely functioning, uneducated, and unvaccinated rednecks.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:57 am to Klark Kent
quote:It might not be. I’ve never said it was.
one might say, it’s not logical to ostracize your employees over a vaccine.
quote:Well obviously, the employer would have a shite ton more information with which to quantify and make that decision. There is no need for you or I to make guesses. It has nothing to do with anything I’ve advocated.
all for a risk that you can’t quantify.
quote:I’m not pushing for employers to mandate vaccines.
so pushing for employers to mandate vaccines in non healthcare fields,
quote:It is always good to find common ground in a debate.
i’m one of those barely functioning, uneducated, and unvaccinated rednecks.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:59 am to Klark Kent
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i’m one of those barely functioning, uneducated, and unvaccinated rednecks.
Agreed.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:59 am to tLSU
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Requiring vaccination as a condition of employment is legal.
Firing someone isn’t legal. If the objection is over closely held religious views, then they would be firing you based on your objection to vaccine based on religious reasons. Can’t do that.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:01 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Sounds about right. I knew your type would go groveling back to the hospitals once you need it.
My type? The type that needs an emergency room in the theoretical scenario YOU MADE UP?
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Facilities are at financial risk at getting paid a lower DRG for hospital acquired infections. Vaccination is one of the best ways to prevent that. Facts don’t care about your feelings sweetheart.
Hospitals don’t get reimbursed for hospital acquired infections dumb frick.
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