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re: Dad confronts pedophile taking pictures of his kids
Posted on 6/29/14 at 1:58 am to The Third Leg
Posted on 6/29/14 at 1:58 am to The Third Leg
If he's as old as he is and a pedophile he would have a record assuredly. I notice that the photographer's name was never mentioned and it stated an attempt to shame him was the reason for the video. The demand to delete legal pictures taken where he was legally entitled to be is in fact unlawful. Also filming the scene as such on private property could be in fact illegal as the dad had no legal right to be there if the photographer had objected. Dad was totally wrong on all accounts except for the most important one, caring about his kids safety even if ill planned his intent was genuine.
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 1:59 am to LSUGrrrl
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Yeah, I get that. It just felt wrong. You should always ask someone's permission before you take photos of their child under any circumstances but this whole situation just felt weird. It wasn't just a snap or two. He took a lot of pics in the time it took for me to notice he was taking photos, watch to see why he might be doing it, decide whether I should say anything and walk up the long sidewalk to his house.
Completely agree with this. I work in a journalism-related field. In something like your case, while it isn't legally required, it should be given that you should have the respect to ask for permission.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:00 am to LaFlyer
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If he's as old as he is and a pedophile he would have a record assuredly. I notice that the photographer's name was never mentioned and it stated an attempt to shame him was the reason for the video. The demand to delete legal pictures taken where he was legally entitled to be is in fact unlawful. Also filming the scene as such on private property could be in fact illegal as the dad had no legal right to be there if the photographer had objected. Dad was totally wrong on all accounts except for the most important one, caring about his kids safety even if ill planned his intent was genuine.
It's not illegal for the dad to demand the guy deletes the photo. The guy could tell him to go to hell but it's not illegal for the dad to tell him to delete the pics. It's also not illegal for him to make any demands on the guy's property unless and until the guy tells him to leave. And depending on where he is, it may also not be illegal for him to film the conversation. The dad never threatened the guy and was never told of no or asked to leave.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:01 am to LaFlyer
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Also filming the scene as such on private property could be in fact illegal as the dad had no legal right to be there if the photographer had objected.
This. You can film the guy and his property from the road all day long no matter what the guy said.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:05 am to LSUGrrrl
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Yeah, I get that. It just felt wrong. You should always ask someone's permission before you take photos of their child under any circumstances but this whole situation just felt weird. It wasn't just a snap or two. He took a lot of pics in the time it took for me to notice he was taking photos, watch to see why he might be doing it, decide whether I should say anything and walk up the long sidewalk to his house.
I agree with your assertion, but have to ask if you were trusting enough to take your kids there and receive candy then why the distrust of pictures of kids in Halloween costumes by the homeowner? What was your worry, there was no expectation of privacy and you knocked on his door originally. As a parent believe me I'm with you, just there was no lack of good faith by you or him as I can tell.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:07 am to Signal Soldier
I'm not a fan of Stand Your Ground, but I have a hard time being mad at anyone who just fricking kills this weirdo.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:11 am to LSUGrrrl
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It's not illegal for the dad to demand the guy deletes the photo. The guy could tell him to go to hell but it's not illegal for the dad to tell him to delete the pics. It's also not illegal for him to make any demands on the guy's property unless and until the guy tells him to leave. And depending on where he is, it may also not be illegal for him to film the conversation. The dad never threatened the guy and was never told of no or asked to leave.
The pictures were private domain and legally obtained and private property, the demand was in fact illegal. If the owner simply said don't film, get off my property all the dad's actions were illegal from that point. If the dad filmed the man as seen from a window while standing on the street that too would be illegal, because an expectation of privacy existed in a home. If he filmed the man in the back yard it would be in fact legal.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:19 am to LaFlyer
You said
No. You can demand anything you want someone as long as there is no implied or actual threat, attempt to blackmail, conversion or any other act that is, in itself, illegal. I can demand my neighbor cut my grass for me every week but can't do anything if she tells me to kiss her arse.
Your statements of
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The demand to delete legal pictures taken where he was legally entitled to be is in fact unlawful.
No. You can demand anything you want someone as long as there is no implied or actual threat, attempt to blackmail, conversion or any other act that is, in itself, illegal. I can demand my neighbor cut my grass for me every week but can't do anything if she tells me to kiss her arse.
Your statements of
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Also filming the scene as such on private property could be in fact illegal as the dad had no legal right to be there if the photographer had objected.
quote:are correct but the man at no time requested the father leave his property so aren't to point in this case.
If the owner simply said don't film, get off my property all the dad's actions were illegal from that point.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 2:21 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:23 am to LaFlyer
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I agree with your assertion, but have to ask if you were trusting enough to take your kids there and receive candy then why the distrust of pictures of kids in Halloween costumes by the homeowner? What was your worry, there was no expectation of privacy and you knocked on his door originally. As a parent believe me I'm with you, just there was no lack of good faith by you or him as I can tell.
I agree that I had no legal ground to do anything other than request that he immediately stop taking pics of my child and leave his property. I check all candy before my son eats it, we only trick or treat in our very close neighborhood community (he just moved in and no one knew him yet) and I understand that I had no expectation of privacy. Simply shared this in sympathy with the dad. It doesn't feel right to have strangers take pics of your kid without permission. I get why he was pissed.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:25 am to LaFlyer
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If the dad filmed the man as seen from a window while standing on the street that too would be illegal
While I'm not familiar with the particular law as applied to Louisiana....In Mississippi and most other states...i would laugh like hell if someone told me that.
The road is public property...you have the right to film pretty much whatever you want from a public place(road, in this case). You can call the cops all you want and they can show up and ask you to leave. But you don't have to.
a few months ago we had human remains show up on someone's property...they didn't want us shooting video of their property and told us to leave...problem was we needed the video and were shooting from a public road.
Think about Paparazzi...as shitty of people as they are...they know their rights of where, when, and how to shoot. Plenty of them basically set up camp on a public area and try to get pictures/videos of celebrities at their house. While obviously shitty...it's legal.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:27 am to LSUGrrrl
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No. You can demand anything you want someone as long as there is no implied or actual threat, attempt to blackmail, conversion or any other act that is, in itself, illegal.
was about to say the same thing.
Even something as simple as an "...or else" statement could have landed the Dad with a restraining order and a hefty lawsuit.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:30 am to LSUGrrrl
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I agree that I had no legal ground to do anything other than request that he immediately stop taking pics of my child and leave his property. I check all candy before my son eats it, we only trick or treat in our very close neighborhood community (he just moved in and no one knew him yet) and I understand that I had no expectation of privacy. Simply shared this in sympathy with the dad. It doesn't feel right to have strangers take pics of your kid without permission. I get why he was pissed.
I agree with you totally as a parent you don't ever have to persuade me regarding protecting kids. Your guy should of asked, no doubt. The fact that you picked up on the pictures proves you care and are tuned in. I was pointing out the viewpoint from a law standpoint and other than the demand to erase think we are on common ground. The fact of the matter is the dad in the eyes of the law could in fact be viewed as culpable and in the wrong.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:36 am to pankReb
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pankReb
Dad confronts pedophile taking pictures of his kids quote: No. You can demand anything you want someone as long as there is no implied or actual threat, attempt to blackmail, conversion or any other act that is, in itself, illegal. was about to say the same thing. Even something as simple as an "...or else" statement could have landed the Dad with a restraining order and a hefty lawsuit.
Think of it like this. You have an object that you legally obtained and own exclusive to its use according to law. I come up and demand you give it to me or use or discard your property, the threat is implied, and the dad did in fact state words you're so lucky I don't or something to that nature. The dad was filming activities he thought wrong while actually in the wrong and providing evidence to support it.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:36 am to LaFlyer
Ok. We agree on the most important points so 
I still say that as long as the dad didn't threaten, blackmail or attempt to coerce, no laws were broken. This is by no means my area of expertise although I have very limited experience with this topic.
Ill add that, were it me, I likely would have crossed that line in my momma bear mode and would have been on the wrong side of the law.
I still say that as long as the dad didn't threaten, blackmail or attempt to coerce, no laws were broken. This is by no means my area of expertise although I have very limited experience with this topic.
Ill add that, were it me, I likely would have crossed that line in my momma bear mode and would have been on the wrong side of the law.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:40 am to LSUGrrrl
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Ill add that, were it me, I likely would have crossed that line in my momma bear mode and would have been on the wrong side of the law.
As a dad breaking a law or wrong side of it to protect my kids or anyone's bothers me not one damn. I did missionary flights to Central America for years and assisted in rescuing girls as young as three years old from predators. I have no sympathy for those who exploit children or get what they have coming to them.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:43 am to LaFlyer
I do wonder what police would find if they looked into him further based on the subjects (kids in bathing suits) of his lake photo session. I also wonder if that's also why he deleted them without any argument or asking the dad to leave.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:03 am to LSUGrrrl
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LSUGrrrl Dad confronts pedophile taking pictures of his kids I do wonder what police would find if they looked into him further based on the subjects (kids in bathing suits) of his lake photo session. I also wonder if that's also why he deleted them without any argument or asking the dad to leave.
The need to quickly delete and walk out of earshot of wife, as well as comment regarding the dad's demands "what are you a Christian" was very odd.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 6:42 am to LaFlyer
Pretty sure every family in that area now knows where a pervert lives. Community will shun him, and he's too old and poor to leave. Kudos to dad.
I just knew he was going to take SD card and smash camera.
I just knew he was going to take SD card and smash camera.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 8:42 am to Tactical1
quote:Except for showing up at this dude's house, which is a pretty dumb move, to be honest.
I thought he handled that well.
But Yea, the actual confrontation, he did handle well.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:58 am to LSUGrrrl
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Yeah, I get that. It just felt wrong.
You should trust your instincts. Check out the book "Blink", by Malcolm Gladwell. Trust your gut. It's not like you're a prosecutor building a case against him.
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