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re: D-Day Spinoff: Did the Allies Really Win WW2?

Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:54 pm to
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Defeating the enemy and having them surrender. That’s literally the definition.


And look, I agree the world today is a mess. But you asked if we won WW2. And we did. Not sure how you can conceive to argue otherwise


Ok buddy, this is obviously a little too complicated for you. You might want to sit this one out.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:54 pm to
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Do you see Nazis walking around?


Yes. Next question.
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:55 pm to
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So just to be clear, you are arguing that by winning the war, we lost the war?

You see the paradox here?

We won WW2, stop arguing otherwise. It is a fact. The axis powers we were at war with surrendered.


Now did policies that came after WW2 have long term unintended consequences that we are seeing now, perhaps. But that does alter the outcome of the war.

But what’s happening today is more a result of inadequate and corrupt leadership that the policies coming after WW2 themselves.


I think you're just slow.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
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Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:55 pm to
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Ok buddy, this is obviously a little too complicated for you. You might want to sit this one out.


Ok then smart guy.

Explain what winning the war really means and how we actually lost

And please, explain it to me like I’m 5 since I’m obviously not smart enough for grown up words.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:57 pm to
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I think you're just slow


So you can’t really defend your argument just attack people poking holes in it.

A sure sign that you’ve lost the argument.


You are arguing like one of the snowflake leftists
This post was edited on 6/7/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:57 pm to
I already have, you're too stupid to understand.
Posted by Bout_Dat_Lyfe
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:58 pm to
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So you can’t really defend your argument just attack people poking holes in it.

A sure sign that you e lost the argument.


You are arguing like one of the snowflake leftists
Just go back to watching Fox News... it's ok. Don't forget to wear your helmet so you don't get hurt
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:59 pm to
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I already have, you're too stupid to understand


Ok buddy.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29246 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:34 pm to
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Bout_Dat_Lyfe



Did we win the physical war? Yes.

Were we better off for having won that war? That is legitimately debatable for all the reasons you listed, and more. Especially if you consider our geographic location.
This post was edited on 6/7/24 at 4:37 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:38 pm to
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but communism has spread worldwide


What about Facism? Since that’s what the allies were fighting in WWII
Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:46 pm to
Probably the biggest boost to the spread of communism happened in 1949. The Loss of China as it was known when Mao took over.

If I remember correctly from reading about this, Truman state department fricked it all up basically. But it was speculated Truman suspected there was communist spies with in his on state department also.

Plus Stalin helping Mao by giving him the weapons left by the Japanese to overthrow the democratic government which Truman backed.

It basically was a major shift in balance of power which led to the Korean War and all of Southeast Asia with the communist influence in that region. So that’s my answer to it. Probably the loss of china to communism more over than the defeat of the Nazi’s. But I’m not expert of course just my opinion.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:48 pm to
Fighting communism was NOT part of the reasoning for WWII
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:50 pm to
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Would the men who fought in WW2 think we won the war if they looked at the current state of the west? The typical boomer answer is "We aren't speaking German" but communism has spread worldwide and has a stronghold within our nations, we have no control over our domestic and foreign policy other than sending money to be laundered through Ukraine and into Israel, our borders are open to the point where the most common baby name in the UK (the most hardlined country against the Germans, other than Russia during Barbarosa) is now Mohammad. Is this better than the alternative?


It's really hard to answer an incoherent question.

It seems like you're asking if it would have been better if the other side had won WWII.

There's a pretty simple answer to that one. No.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:51 pm to
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Western nations lost their national sovereignty and industrial bases ever since "winning" WW2. Those aren't signs of winning a war.


They didn’t lose these until much later and after WWII.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:51 pm to
OP is going to come back around to the Jews somehow
Posted by bamaguy17
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:53 pm to
You’re a retard on multiple forums
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:55 pm to
Truman was also sick of putting up with Chiang Kai Shek’s incessant ineptitude. In hindsight we should have supported the Nationalists more as it would have saved us a lot of trouble but they never got their shite together until Chiang’s death. Meanwhile the Communists were a far more organized and unified force during the Civil War.
Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 4:59 pm to
Very true. I couldn’t remember all what led up to it, but what you stated I remember reading that also. Great point

I believe what you saying was in the Truman white pages report. But I could be wrong
This post was edited on 6/7/24 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40039 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 5:01 pm to
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NATO was established 1949, the UN was established 1945, Bretton Woods in 1944. All a direct result of the "allies" winning the war.


Ok so you’re arguing that because western governments formed alliances to protect and incentivize economic trade(NATO) and that the US implemented an agreement that essentially guaranteed that we would be the unchallenged rulers of the oceans (Breton Woods) that it’s a bad thing?

The UN is an example of countries somewhat abdicating authority to an outside ruling body, but is it really any different than empires forcing countries/territories to do things that were not in the best interest of the territories?
Posted by red sox fan 13
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Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 5:04 pm to
I agree that the West has collectively declined in the past 20 or 30 years. But if you think “we lost the war” because your ideology aligns more closely with the Axis, you can just say that.
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