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re: Crypto...how is this not a elaborate Ponzi/pyramid scheme?

Posted on 5/24/25 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by Roberteaux
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
6206 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 3:40 pm to
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If I have stock in say Dow chemical. I own a tiny portion of company. A company with intellectual property. With assets like production units which generate profit. Stock in legit companies is nothing like Crypto. Crypto is based upon nothing. No physical assets.


Nuh uh, bro. You obviously just don’t get it!!
Posted by Tiger4life306
Member since Apr 2016
622 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 3:47 pm to
I’ll buy/invest in bitcoin/crypto whenever I see a need for it. So far, I’ve gotten through life and have had zero personal need for it. I don’t see what problem it is solving for the vast majority of people.

I keep hearing “muh but the technology behind it. Blockchain!” I’d bet the majority of people that say this don’t even understand the technology or blockchain. They just have heard other people say it and therefore believe it is valuable, but how valuable? Zero clue.
I also hear the “decentralized currency” thesis. I guess this would be a benefit to me if I was a criminal but otherwise the banking system seems to be working just fine for the law abiding citizen.
I also hear the “third world country with no currency” or the “you can send money across the world” argument. Again, how many people are needing to do that on a regular basis? And third world countries gonna third world country. There will be crypto pirates torturing others to get in their crypto wallets, it’s probably already happening.

Fact of the matter is most people are buying it because the US dollars they used to put into it can go up in value and then they are hoping at a future point in time they will sell out and have more US dollars than when they started.
I’ll say this, it is surprising it has sustained this long
This post was edited on 5/24/25 at 3:54 pm
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53439 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 4:02 pm to
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And bitcoin has increased from $4,000 to $110,000 in 5 years


It wasn't 4k 5 years ago. Nevertheless no one is saying you can't make money off this. Plenty are
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49587 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 4:06 pm to
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Crypto is no different from modern money: it only has value because enough people says it does. What the frick do you think the “fiat” part of Fiat Currency means?


Fiat Currency is still backed, issued and regulated by government or central banks which crypto is not.

It is also recognized as legal tender by governments which crypto may not and varies where it is recognized. Crypto has little regulatory oversight which makes it more risky.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11456 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 4:08 pm to
Ethereum, Solana, and Pulse are decentralized app stores. You need those tokens to use their web 3 app stores. It is the currency needed to use that blockchain.

Uniswap, Raydium, and PulseX are all exchanges like the Nasdaq or NYSE. The exchanges have fees which go to the token holders as interest or token burns (stock buybacks). The fees create value for these tokens.

There are tons of other web 3 protocols that have utility (bank services for example). Don't be fooled into thinking crypto is a Ponzi scheme. Crypto is the future of finance.
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2190 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 5:21 pm to
Smells like 99 .com bubble to me
Posted by Big_Sur
Member since Nov 2012
1171 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 5:31 pm to
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Crypto is no different from modern money


People spend my modern money and transact with it daily. BTC holders don't spend it, the hodl.
Posted by AlteriorMotive
Getting a little bit yipee
Member since Mar 2025
152 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 5:34 pm to
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Now do the US dollar.

I can purchase items necessary for survival with my US dollars. The only thing I can do with crypto is trade it and make more, you guessed it, US dollars
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
86051 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 5:36 pm to
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The only thing I can do with crypto is trade it and make more, you guessed it, US dollars


What year is it?
Posted by Buddy the Tiger
Member since Nov 2018
147 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 5:46 pm to
I would like to help. But can you give me a baseline so I can know where to fill in the gaps. What is your current understanding of how bitcoin works?
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16260 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 6:00 pm to
A lot of it is essentially buying stock in tech startups.


A lot of it is garbage.

Then there's bitcoin which is a lot more complicated.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6945 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 6:12 pm to
I’ll fully admit that I don’t completely understand it (which is why I stay away from it). But, the vibe I get from it is that, if you’re already rich, it can make you even richer. If you’re not rich, it’s not going to make you rich. I wish everyone who goes for it nothing but success, though.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3922 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 6:57 pm to
Stock in the company doesn’t go up unless people buy it.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3922 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 6:57 pm to
Stock in a company only goes up if people buy it. That’s the metric people are using to say crypto is a “ponzi”.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66235 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 7:03 pm to
It was always weird to me that a lot of libertarian/goldbug types who don't trust the Fed and its digital printing press moved to something even more digital/intangible.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3922 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 7:05 pm to
That’s fair. I’m not that type.

For me, crypto is a way for retards like me to make money off money supply and velocity, and the subsequent volatility.

I’m not warren buffet, I can’t buy treasury bonds and I don’t have enough capital to make hedging currencies worth while, but I can buy bitcoin.


When you look at crypto like that, it becomes a different ball game.


Life is a ponzi. We’re all trying to make money off the next sucker. Accept it and play the game.
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
1945 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 7:10 pm to
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Life is a ponzi. We’re all trying to make money off the next sucker. Accept it and play the game.


I used to tell myself stuff like that too. You’re probably going to lose a lot of money. If
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3922 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 7:12 pm to
I could, but I probably wont, at least from crypto.

I entered my btc position at 19k 2 years ago.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
50836 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 7:19 pm to
First it was a peer to peer decentralized currency to buy drugs on sites like the silk road. It was pretty good at that and the maximum 7 transactions per second was not a problem.

Then some scammers started creating exchanges or otherwise known as casinos where they could rig the game against all their traders and make bank on transactions fees. So the hype bubble came and it would change the world. Everything on Blockchain,. Then came the derivatives including grouping where people actually thought there was a market for lending crypto.

That was a lie and all of them were pure ponzi schemes paying yield from nothing but new customers. However things like nfts came around to try force another use case. Combine that with the to stimulus money and pure market manipulation through stable coins and we got some traction.

Now everyone realizes there is zero true use case and proof of work Blockchains are slow and shite. So the new narrative is digital gold that countries supposedly are going to hold on to like it's worth something. Not realizing that politicians will have to justify spending real tax dollars on this

I got to think they are running out of idiot schemes to pry what leftover money is left in people willing to gamble in these useless 20 year old technology.

But as they say a sucker is born every minute. And people obviously still make money in a grift... Until they don't
This post was edited on 5/24/25 at 7:22 pm
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
1945 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 7:22 pm to
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