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re: Crucial job decision to make tomorrow *update page 5
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:59 am to Layabout
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:59 am to Layabout
At old company, it's only a matter of time until you show up one morning and there's a security guard at your desk with a cardboard box for your personals. The guys that hired the new leader don't give a hoot about your philosophy- they will stick with their leadership decision no matter how bad it makes them look or how many contributions you have made.
At new, they can't want you that badly if they're not willing to match your salary. 10k may be nothing to them but it's significant to you. Coupled with very high housing prices and other costs you're taking a huge step back.
For now back off of your polar opposite views and keep looking in the area you're living now. Being close to family and friends is more important than you think, especially if everything was to go bad for you.
At new, they can't want you that badly if they're not willing to match your salary. 10k may be nothing to them but it's significant to you. Coupled with very high housing prices and other costs you're taking a huge step back.
For now back off of your polar opposite views and keep looking in the area you're living now. Being close to family and friends is more important than you think, especially if everything was to go bad for you.
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 5:01 am to FrancisCostello
Unless you make $30k a $10k difference in salary should never make you go broke.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 5:08 am to CaptainJ47
quote:What kind of logic is this? $10k is a new car, a vacation, the money you set aside to pay for life's unexpected emergencies, braces for the kid's teeth, savings for college, etc...
Unless you make $30k a $10k difference in salary should never make you go broke.
OP stands to lose a lot by moving but nobody talked about him going broke.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 5:16 am to HubbaBubba
OP, take the new job. Do a exit interview and explain what is what as to why you are leaving. You might save some one else having to put up with a a-hole team leader. 
Posted on 10/22/15 at 6:32 am to FrancisCostello
I was in the exact position a couple years ago. The difference is that I didn't have to move, just had to commute 45 minutes in lieu of 15.
I was overworked by a large public company. They paid well and I had autonomy but the volume of work was not sustainable and my request for help fell on deaf ears. Others in my position had the staff to help but since I could "handle it" I was never fully staffed.
I was recruited by a small private company working on expanding their business and they needed me to help them gain and manage new work.
I took the pay cut and switched companies. One of the best decisions I've made. I was happy at work again and my overall attitude changed. My family also liked the new me as well.
I was overworked by a large public company. They paid well and I had autonomy but the volume of work was not sustainable and my request for help fell on deaf ears. Others in my position had the staff to help but since I could "handle it" I was never fully staffed.
I was recruited by a small private company working on expanding their business and they needed me to help them gain and manage new work.
I took the pay cut and switched companies. One of the best decisions I've made. I was happy at work again and my overall attitude changed. My family also liked the new me as well.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 6:32 am to FrancisCostello
Unhealthy, get out now.
If you take the Colorado job you will make up the $10K difference pretty quick if your are good at the role.
The mention of your family makes it even more important to get out, you cannot be at your best with this weight on your shoulders. I've been there, luckily I outlasted the guy but I would not advise that.
If you take the Colorado job you will make up the $10K difference pretty quick if your are good at the role.
The mention of your family makes it even more important to get out, you cannot be at your best with this weight on your shoulders. I've been there, luckily I outlasted the guy but I would not advise that.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 6:52 am to FrancisCostello
You millenials sure are a whiny bunch
Go back to your cube and get to work
Go back to your cube and get to work
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:04 am to FrancisCostello
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2 kids under 3 years old.
Trust me when I say your kids will thank you later. Move to CO.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:11 am to FrancisCostello
I have moved jobs several times when I wasn't happy or didn't feel that I could continue to grow where I was at. Only once did I move where it wasn't a nice bump in pay, but on the way in I negotiated a pay increase after the first year if I could hit certain goals that I knew I could achieve.
If they want you, but can't quite afford you, then try negotiating a 20% increase after year 1, when you have made them some money and proven your worth. That would still just get you back to 72K, but would keep you on your current financial track.
If they want you, but can't quite afford you, then try negotiating a 20% increase after year 1, when you have made them some money and proven your worth. That would still just get you back to 72K, but would keep you on your current financial track.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:15 am to FrancisCostello
Lighten up, Francis.
Flip a coin and do whatever result you get.
PS: Tell Abbott "Hi" for us.
"Third Base!"
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Flip a coin and do whatever result you get.
PS: Tell Abbott "Hi" for us.
"Third Base!"
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:17 am to HubbaBubba
If you live so close to the edge that you make "good money" and then can't take a $10k cut there is something wrong. Look I am not saying $10k isn't good money... But for someone making good money $10k isn't proportionately as much as someone who doesn't make a lot.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:23 am to FrancisCostello
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It is nearly 12 hours from our family. Not close to mine really, but my wife is close to hers. This is a significant factor. I want my kids to know their grandparents.
Ehh, we lived 8 and 10 hours away from my grand parents. I didnt know them that well because 3 of them passed away before I was in middle school. The other was while I was in college. Saw her several times a year, would stay with her during the summer, not a big a deal.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:29 am to FrancisCostello
I just moved to Colorado Springs this year and my family and I love it. Hit me up and we can have a beer. You won't regret moving here.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:30 am to FrancisCostello
Colorado Springs is a great area. I lived out there for four years and loved it. The winters aren't extremely cold, sure, you'll have a few snowy days, but for the most part its very mild. The scenery is hard to beat, the people are friendly, and you're only 45 minutes from Denver. The cost of living in Colorado Springs is very affordable as well. I say take the new job, especially if it is truly a special place.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:33 am to FrancisCostello
I'd push hard to get the new place to match your salary. I think the cost of living in Colorado is higher than most areas in Texas. That big of a drop while being single wouldn't be too bad. That big of a drop with two kids and a wife seems like it would be really tough, especially when you'd be moving to a more expensive place.
The people at the new place seem sensible. Explain to them both of those things, and they might accommodate you. Tell them yes, with the contingency that yall can agree on a salary that fits your life
The people at the new place seem sensible. Explain to them both of those things, and they might accommodate you. Tell them yes, with the contingency that yall can agree on a salary that fits your life
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:35 am to FrancisCostello
CO rocks dude.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:36 am to FrancisCostello
quote:
. Just tough daily in a soul draining kind of way.
Time to go!
Colorado Springs is a great area too.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:36 am to Tigerfan56
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My philosophy is that staying comfortably miserable is the worst way to live
BINGO... This guy gets it. "Most men live lives of quiet desperation."
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:46 am to FrancisCostello
I wouldn't take my kids away from their grandparents for a paycut
plus state income tax
plus higher cost of living
If you don't like your job find another one but if this one can't even match your current salary then they don't want you very bad.
plus state income tax
plus higher cost of living
If you don't like your job find another one but if this one can't even match your current salary then they don't want you very bad.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:58 am to FrancisCostello
The grass is not always greener. Leave because of a better opportunity, not because you are running away from a problem. Learn to deal with your boss and confront him if there are issues. There will be problems at the new place you will have to deal with.
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