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re: Crescent Pilot's helping the Coast Guard
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:39 pm to Brazos
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:39 pm to Brazos
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I understand that but there is a big difference in knowing the river and actually maneuvering the ship. If the captain of the ship happened to drop dead the pilot couldn’t necessarily take over steering and maneuvering just because he knows the river. That’s all I’m trying to say.
There are several mates an engineers aboard that know the ship but they don't know the river.
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Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:48 pm to Brazos
You're intermingling your disdain for mississippi river pilots, specifically, with your overall lack of knowledge of what pilotage even is. Compulsory pilotage exists in almost every single port in the entire world.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:50 pm to namvet6566
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TD so.....you think you could maneuver a 850 Ft ship with currents and turns in the River ???
This is the OT. Of course we can.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 3:51 pm to Jim Rockford
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This is the OT. Of course we can.
hell yes we can! hold my beer, baw!
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:01 pm to Captain Crackysack
I am not in any way shape or form making light of the pilots skill set. All I’m saying is the captain and the pilot have a different set of skills. One of my good friends has been a Missippi river bar pilot for twenty years and he has told me himself that they have nothing to do with physically steering or maneuvering the ship.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:18 pm to Brazos
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nothing to do with physically steering or maneuvering the ship.
It’s always “I know a guy”. You misunderstood what he meant. Associated Bar Pilots assoc also requires a minimum of a unlimited 2nd mates license which would require doing the duties on a ship that you are referring to.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:27 pm to Brazos
Bravos, you are mostly correct. I am a retired Coast Guard officer with 26 years experience. In a nut shell, the Pilot is there to provide guidance to the ships crew regarding maneuvering and navigation. If you were to listen to the voyage data recorder, you would think the Pilot is in full command as he is giving all orders during the transit. The fact still remains that the Captain of the vessel is ultimately responsible. When there is a incident, the Pilot shags arse and leaves the Captain to deal with the Coast Guard. The state has a oversight board to deal with pilots negligence. The Coast Guard can still go after the pilots merchant mariner license, but usually reserve that for truly egregious situations.
My few investigations involving getting statements from pilots involved me going to their conference room in a room full of lawyers and put in a shorter chair than everyone else. Mafia vibe lol.
Regulated industries can make donations to the USCG but it cannot be targeted to specific individuals or departments. There are ethic guidelines, but as long as it is shared or parsed out across the ranks and units through needs based criteria or raffles it is allowed.
My few investigations involving getting statements from pilots involved me going to their conference room in a room full of lawyers and put in a shorter chair than everyone else. Mafia vibe lol.
Regulated industries can make donations to the USCG but it cannot be targeted to specific individuals or departments. There are ethic guidelines, but as long as it is shared or parsed out across the ranks and units through needs based criteria or raffles it is allowed.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 4:39 pm to mworld938
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going to their conference room in a room full of lawyers and put in a shorter chair than everyone else. Mafia vibe lol.
Ahhh, The ol corporate shooting gallery.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 10:17 pm to Brazos
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One of my good friends has been a Missippi river bar pilot for twenty years and he has told me himself that they have nothing to do with physically steering or maneuvering the ship.
I dont know if the verbiage is wrong here but they do steer the ship into the river
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:17 pm to Jones
Bar Pilots, Crescent, NO-BR...… All are VASTLY overpaid.
Let the market decide. Do you think you could find someone who could and would do it cheaper? Yeah, me too.
Let the market decide. Do you think you could find someone who could and would do it cheaper? Yeah, me too.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:25 pm to namvet6566
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namvet6566
Thank you for your pretend service, Mr. StolenValor
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:31 pm to Brazos
If we are both in a car, you blindfolded in the driver's seat and me in the passenger's seat. I give you instructions on which direction and how much to turn the wheel, who's "steering"? Its semantics.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:41 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Absolutely. Most of those pilots' most important qualification to make the cut was that they were the lucky sperm and they manage to do it just fine. The training and knowledge of the river is secondary to being the golden sperm.
Seems pretty odd that you still have need 4 years of school, hundreds of hours ship board to qualify to take the required coastguard exams, and a apprenticeship to get this secondary knowledge and training which is of so little importance.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:43 pm to namvet6566
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TD so.....you think you could maneuver a 850 Ft ship with currents and turns in the River ???
Posted on 1/27/19 at 11:59 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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I 100% without a shadow of a doubt think that with the exact same training and "opportunity" everyone of those current pilots received I could perform any and all tasks that family performs. Just give me the chance...
It takes 7 to 12 years to meet the minimum qualifications required by the State of LA to be a river pilot regardless of who your family is.
Minimum requirements"
B.S. from a four years maritime college.
1st Class Coast Guard pilots license requires 12-36 months experience aboard a 1600 ton or larger vessel performing specific duties just to qualify to take the exam.
Minimum one year apprenticeship.
Up to four years as a deputy pilot.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 12:22 am
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