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Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:54 am to lsu2006
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:56 am to SlapahoeTribe
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getting tax breaks
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:56 am to rattlebucket
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The evidence is the exact same. Our starting points are just different.
OUr evidence is the same that man and dinosaurs co-existed?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:00 am to BiggerBear
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It kinda looks like an oil tanker
Maybe they could re-purpose it when the museum goes under. Are there pictures of the dinosaurs on the Ark?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:05 am to Fun Bunch
The tangible evidence is the same. You and I look at a fossil the same way. Its dead and we both agree it once lived. You are mixing evidence and theory in the same sentence.
If you folks really wanted to explore what the museum is about I encourage you to visit it. Otherwise we'll just keep disagreeing about theories. I believe the Bible and Im assuming you dont. However we look at the same bones, same earth formations, same fossils. We just start at different places. Can we agree on that?
If you folks really wanted to explore what the museum is about I encourage you to visit it. Otherwise we'll just keep disagreeing about theories. I believe the Bible and Im assuming you dont. However we look at the same bones, same earth formations, same fossils. We just start at different places. Can we agree on that?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:17 am to jbgleason
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You can't be this dumb. A tax break is different because it is money the government would otherwise be collecting but isn't. So the treasury is out money it would otherwise have to spend. Your crappy analogy should read: If I owe you $100 but decide to not pay you.
You do owe me $100 and if you don't pay me I'll throw you in jail, but I'm not going to collect it right now. You should feel really lucky that I'm giving you $100 just like that.
But moving away from the taxation-is-theft argument, this is a business that didn't exist prior to the incentives. There was nothing to tax and no money to collect.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:25 am to rattlebucket
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The tangible evidence is the same. You and I look at a fossil the same way. Its dead and we both agree it once lived. You are mixing evidence and theory in the same sentence.
What the hell does that last line even mean?
No, we are not looking at the same evidence at all, obviously.
There's a little more to it than "Here is a bone that I found".
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
Dinosaur bones were put there by The Devil to trick us IMO
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:02 pm to Damone
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:18 pm to ZappBrannigan
For those that have been how does the museum address genetic defects from inbreeding given that there would only be a male and female of each species?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:28 pm to DavidTheGnome
That is a big, beautiful ark.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:29 pm to rattlebucket
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The tangible evidence is the same.
I do not mean to offend you, but this is a very childish perspective of religion and science. You think they are both on the same plane, and that if they contradict each other, only one must be right.
Religion at its core is based on faith, the belief in something despite 'the tangible evidence'.
Science at its core is based on knowledge, it is 'the tangible evidence' that can be challenged based on reproducible data gathered.
If there are 'tangible evidences' that God exists and everything happened in the Bible are proven to be factual... You just killed Christianity and Christianity's central dogma: the concept of free will.
Remember: God gave us the free will, a choice: 'For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.'
The key word is 'believes' which is a choice (free will) based on faith, if God is proven real with 'tangible evidence' then we no longer have a choice, thus no free will.
In simplest scenario: you are in a room with a red button on the wall, direction read 'push the button and live, don't push the button and die horribly'.
The room to your right, you see someone being slow eaten by insects because he did not push the red button.
The room to your left, you see a person surrounded by their loving family in an all-inclusive paradise resort because he pushed the red button.
'Tangible evidence' of the red button... do you logically still have a choice?
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:30 pm to rattlebucket
Naw man, the basis of this thread is Ken Ham lashing out saying that atheists are lying about the Ark Encounter to frick up further investment.
It's not that he's trying to enrich himself off of people that believe the "good book said this and it's the only answer!" and people raised by text books that say electricity is a mystery. No it's not that.
People of Ken Ham's ilk don't give a damn about creationism other than how it generates a dollar for a "ministry" that he gets to decide how it's spent.
It really comes down to why are you going to use this as some sorta hill to die on when the flood narrative itself is two versions that don't even agree on time much less the animals in the Ark. But geology itself is against you while accounts of a great flood occur all over the same basin and most predate and inspire the Jewish tradition of the Pentateuch
It's not that he's trying to enrich himself off of people that believe the "good book said this and it's the only answer!" and people raised by text books that say electricity is a mystery. No it's not that.
People of Ken Ham's ilk don't give a damn about creationism other than how it generates a dollar for a "ministry" that he gets to decide how it's spent.
It really comes down to why are you going to use this as some sorta hill to die on when the flood narrative itself is two versions that don't even agree on time much less the animals in the Ark. But geology itself is against you while accounts of a great flood occur all over the same basin and most predate and inspire the Jewish tradition of the Pentateuch
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:30 pm to Collegedropout
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every attended a public school? it is brainwashing.
I absolutely believe that public school is being used to teach alternative facts about where we came from, how we got to where we are today, and what to believe. I would call that brainwashing.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:34 pm to Lokistale
I found this on their blog dealing with 3 Ark misconceptions, and I don't really understand this one:
Millions of Animal Species Could Not Fit.
Skeptics claim that millions of animal species could not fit on the Ark. Actually, Noah didn’t have to cram millions of animals onto his Ark. God told Noah to take two of every kind of land-dwelling, air-breathing animal. Noah didn’t need two tigers, two lions, two leopards, and so on—he only needed two of the cat kind. In fact, Noah probably had fewer than 7,000 animals.
What does that actually mean? Was there a lot more diversity prior to the flood, Noah took only one "kind", and then any subsequent diversity is the result of evolution after the flood?
Millions of Animal Species Could Not Fit.
Skeptics claim that millions of animal species could not fit on the Ark. Actually, Noah didn’t have to cram millions of animals onto his Ark. God told Noah to take two of every kind of land-dwelling, air-breathing animal. Noah didn’t need two tigers, two lions, two leopards, and so on—he only needed two of the cat kind. In fact, Noah probably had fewer than 7,000 animals.
What does that actually mean? Was there a lot more diversity prior to the flood, Noah took only one "kind", and then any subsequent diversity is the result of evolution after the flood?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:35 pm to rattlebucket
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If you folks really wanted to explore what the museum is about I encourage you to visit it. Otherwise we'll just keep disagreeing about theories. I believe the Bible and Im assuming you dont. However we look at the same bones, same earth formations, same fossils. We just start at different places. Can we agree on that?
You start at a place where the Flintstones is a documentary, so no we don't agree to pretty much anything.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:39 pm to rattlebucket
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Otherwise we'll just keep disagreeing about theories. I believe the Bible and Im assuming you dont. However we look at the same bones, same earth formations, same fossils. We just start at different places. Can we agree on that?
Correct. Creationists start with the answer (The Bible is accurate) and work backwards as evidence comes to light. Scientists (and I'm using that term to encompass ALL of the sciences) do not. As evidence comes to light, they form hypothesis based on the evidence and eventually form theories which explain all the evidence found. Facts dictate beliefs, whereas your version beliefs steers facts into fitting with the preconceived belief. All facts as they emerged MUST be made to fit within the agreed upon parameters, or it simply isn't "true."
Basically, you're cheating. Your way attempts to cram facts into a box you've already gotten. It's why you have to come up with ludicrous notions that man and dinosaurs lived together and that Noah had them on the ark, but you know...baby ones so they'd fit. The amount of intellectual gymnastics needed is laughable.
There's nothing laudable about what you're suggesting here.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:42 pm to DavidTheGnome
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For those that have been how does the museum address genetic defects from inbreeding given that there would only be a male and female of each species?
You'll enjoy this if you haven't seen it...
Noah's Ark and the Cheetah
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:49 pm to kywildcatfanone
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I absolutely believe that public school is being used to teach alternative facts about where we came from, how we got to where we are today, and what to believe. I would call that brainwashing.
So, you think public school should teach kids your religious beliefs instead of science? What about other religious beliefs on creation?
Ultimately, you are welcome to teach your kids your own beliefs, take them to your church, etc. You just can't force your beliefs on everyone else's kids.
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