re: COVID Lab Leak Theory Resurfaces After Controversial New Study

They’ve already conducted several thousand tests on meat samples from the months and years leading up to both Covid and the SADS outbreak 10 years earlier.

For SARS - frozen meat samples procured months before the first human case eventually tested positive all over China. It clearly came from an animal and evolved in a way that enabled human infection.

For Covid….nothing came up in samples that pre-dated the first known human case. Because it didn’t come from animals. It came from a person in Wuhan and then evolved to also infect animals. We’ll never really know how that first person got it or who that person is….but a lab leak is extremely likely.

Fauci knows. We know. If we didn't know, Fauci would be questioned using the newest generation of truth serum, then killed. So, we know.

It was done by Fauci The Democrat, who then bobbled the reaction, and muddled the realities so his president could not have accurate information to make the best decisions. In the end, everything was so garbled up that the dishonest voting, 3 am vote drops etc. won.

Fauci won.

The Fauci Elf feels like he accomplished his mission.

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Here's a published survey of 168 experts, mostly infectious disease epidemiologists and virologists. It's an evolving question, obviously.

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But my question is why you think “we will never know?” Surely if it’s zoologic in origin we will know at some point, right?


Again, I agree with you that “we will never know.” Because…

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But my question is why you think “we will never know?” Surely if it’s zoologic in origin we will know at some point, right?

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We will never know if there was a conspiracy if no good evidence ever shows up for one. As for science discerning causes, those answers are provisional and scientific consensus is often slow. There's a saying that "science advances from funeral to funeral" because even though science as a practice and as a community is sensitive to evidence, individuals are stubborn, stick to their pet theories and there are a lot of outliers. A lot of discourse propaganda uses cherry-picked science to allow you to use studies (and you can find a study to support virtually anything) to support your own priors and thus a thread like this can "prove" almost anything people want it to.

Yep. Getting compliance from an authoritarian state that is our chief geopolitical adversary isn't going to happen. Everybody's got to decide at what threshold they'll attribute a conspiracy in the absence of evidence.

As for me, Chris Wray and the Dept. of energy say they have evidence that gives them "low confidence" in the lab leak, but they won't provide any of it. At this point, I'll wait and provisionally conclude this is probably zoonotic until there's good reason not to. The way these things go, I could see a few baws talk themselves into a bunch of previous spillovers being lab leaks.

I agree. It's a reasonable controversy because there are plausible competing explanations. Where the relevant experts differ from the online baw, though, is their priors are strongly on the side of spillovers because they've seen it a thousand times and there has never in the history of the world been a proven iatrogenic pandemic. Plus, the published literature looks more over time like a spillover. The availability heuristic makes conspiracy SO JUICY THO once the layman learns of a virology lab across town. People get puzzled when they see a story like this claim the "lab leak theory resurfaces" like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN RESURFACES IT WAS NEVER GONE". That's because it's the dominant theory among the public, but it's a minority opinion among experts, although it's not really dead there either.

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Media reports created a false impression of a major breakthrough linking animals to Covid’s origins.

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When you say we’ll likely never know the origin, in truth we know (or should know) beyond a shadow of doubt that CV19 was NOT a naturally arising zoonosis. How do we know that? Because there is NO ANIMAL VECTOR capable of having transmitted the disease in Wuhan. None!

SARS-CoV-2 did not arise naturally from an animal.

For a virus to pass from animals to humans, it MUST first be readily transmissible within the original animal population. That was the case with SARS-CoV-1 (the original SARS), MERS, etc. However, in the case of CV19, very few animals are capable of readily contracting and transmitting it (Mink, North American white tailed deer). No such animal was present in The Wuhan Wet Market.

Finally, in Dec 2020, after repeated failed attempts to infect various species with CV19, the NIH announced Raccoon Dogs as the likely source. How did Fauci’s folks come up with that premise?

Taking sets of 3 Raccoon Dogs, our illustrious scientists exposed 2 of the 3 to 1000x the infective CV19 viral dose, by directly applying it to mucous membranes. Then they sausaged the two exposed animals in cages on either side of a third uninfected animal. After a week of 24/7 exposure, they managed to get some of the uninfected dogs, infected. The problem being, not all the animals could be infected. There is one other problem. In nature, raccoon dogs are solitary animals. There is never a circumstance where they’d be adjacent to two other animals for any length of time, much less 24/7 for a week. Nonetheless, the study was forwarded as proof raccoon dogs could reasonably be a natural CV19 zoonotic vector.

Conveniently shortly after this, the Chinese “discovered” swab test specimens from the wet market containing a mixture of raccoon dog DNA and CV19. This was subtly forwarded to the press via NIH channels as virtually “determinative” of SARS-CoV-2 origin. But of course it was not only not “determinative,” it was absurd. ( Media reports created a false impression of a major breakthrough linking animals to Covid’s origins)

So why was an implausible CV19 zoonotic theory pushed so vehemently, especially by Fauci and the NIH?

Because Fauci was/is a gain-of-function zealot. Despite numerous warnings by field experts whom he basically dismissed as nonintellectuals over a span of decades, Fauci and his collected cronies played the role of Dr. Frankenstein in the world of virology. In 2012 Tony Fauci said this:

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In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.

Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.

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Fast forward to February 2020, and we had an onset of a pandemic stemming from a scientist who got infected with the lab created virus, just as Fauci had noted in 2012.

Suddenly, Fauci was on the cusp of reputational evisceration.

It’s one thing to speak in hypotheticals about a pandemic “being worth it.” It is another entirely to maintain that stance as a gain-of-function induced pandemic rages.

Add to that the fact that Fauci et al had a HUGE hand in aiding the Wuhan Institute of Virology in its gain-of-function work where (just as Fauci had noted in 2012) scientists “attempted to replicate these experiments sloppily.”

Here is an excellent synopsis of Fauci’s efforts to suppress the truth of lab origin in 2020 and beyond: Anthony Fauci’s Deceptions - A trove of emails, Slack messages, and other documents reveal Fauci’s behind-the-scenes involvement.

By March 2020, US intel established CV19 likely emerged accidentally due to "unsafe laboratory practices" in Wuhan. They concomitantly ruled out intentional release or deliberate design as a biological weapon. Elements of their classified report were leaked and published. Those reports were subsequently suppressed as well.

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Fauci won

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And also got filthy rich from big Pharma kickbacks and most likely his 30 pieces of silver from Gates, Zuck, Soros and others for taking out OMB.

It’s not a theory or conspiracy, it’s a fact